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Graveyards around Carrigrohane/Ballincollig
« on: Friday 02 March 07 08:27 GMT (UK) »
Following on from my earlier post about my HAYNES family:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,212066.0.html

...I am interested in finding potential burial places for members of the family, who are said to have lived in the townland of Inchigaggin, just west of the city of Cork.  Nearby towns are Ballincollig and Carrigrohane, among others.

I have got myself a lovely map - a 1:50,000 OS map of part of Cork which shows Inchigaggin quite close to the river Lee between Carrigrohane and Cork proper.  The nearest graveyards marked on the map are at Carrigrohane (on Model Farm Road) and over the river near Mackey's Cross.

I have found a few online sites with links to transcriptions etc. for Cork graveyards but none have info about these two (and anyway, I don't know what they would be called).  According to the Diocese of Cork and Ross website:

Prior to the opening of St Joseph's [in 1830], Catholics were buried in Kilcrea near Ovens, Douglas, Currykippane near Clogheen, Carrigrohane and Kilcully near Dublin Hill.

Does anyone have any hints about finding possible burials in this area?  The time period I'm looking at initially would be 1800-1850 or so.

THANK YOU for any help!  :D

Cheers
Prue

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Re: Graveyards around Carrigrohane/Ballincollig
« Reply #1 on: Friday 02 March 07 14:11 GMT (UK) »
Hi,
 Sorry dont have any info or hints about burials etc, but would you be able to tell me if a place called Sheermount is on your map or Lyre Seat
Thanks Dez

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Re: Graveyards around Carrigrohane/Ballincollig
« Reply #2 on: Friday 02 March 07 19:11 GMT (UK) »
I know both Curraghkippaune and Kilcully very well indeed.   I was up in Kilcully only two weeks ago.  Several members of my family are buried in both graveyards.  If you contact Cork Corporation, they will put you onto the Dept which deals with graves. I spoke about two years ago to the caretaker of Curraghkippaune, but as far as I remember, written records go back only to the 1930s.  I was looking for a burial in the 1920s and he could give no info, so I fear that you are unlikely to find any records going back to the period which you are researching.
The Curragh is a lovely graveyard and overlooks the River Lee.  It is up high on a hill near to a place known as Kerry Pike.  It is an ancient burial ground and members of my  family have been buried there for generations.  It also contains the grave of the man who had the longest funeral journey in the world.  I will have to look up the details.  I think the guy was Jerome Collins, and he was related to my family in some way.

Kilcully, or St Catherine's Kilcully, to give it its full name, is by far my favourite.  The old graveyard is very small indeed and when I was there all you could hear was the sound of birdsong and in the distance the faint noise of a tractor.  Like Curraghkippaune, it is rural, but a newer and much larger graveyard has been built a few yards from it, but it in no way obscures the old and is actually out of sight of the old.  Members of my family have been buried there, in the old graveyard,  since at least 1880, and there are a lot of older graves there too, but again, I doubt you will find any records going back that far.  There are registers for graveyards and these are kept by either Cork City Corporation or Cork County Council, but, as I said earlier, they are too recent to be of any great use.

You can get a good view of both graveyards on Google Earth, and I will try to figure a way to give coordinates from the program so that you can have a look.

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Re: Graveyards around Carrigrohane/Ballincollig
« Reply #3 on: Friday 02 March 07 19:14 GMT (UK) »
PS- I doubt anyone from the Inchigaggin area would be buried in Kilcully, or in Ovens for that matter.  Curraghkippaune is by far your best bet.  It is a stone's throw from Inchigaggin.  Kilcully, while not a million miles away, is too far for territorial people like Corkonians to consider burying someone from Inchigaggin there.  Cork people tended to go for the nearest graveyard and then buried generations of their people there.  Kilcully's inhabitants consist, by the overwhelming majority, of people from the Northside of Cork, not the West.


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Re: Graveyards around Carrigrohane/Ballincollig
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 03 March 07 03:16 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Ceallachain, for all that fantastic info  :D  Looks like, apart from visiting the spots myself and trying to find a gravestone or two to find out for sure, I will have to assume that the family were buried where you suggest.   I found a photo of Curraghkippaune graveyard on the web, it looks a really beautiful place - I hope that's where my Hayneses are.  They would get a lovely view from there :)

Thanks again for your help.  It's great to be able to tap into local knowledge like this!

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Re: Graveyards around Carrigrohane/Ballincollig
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 03 March 07 05:58 GMT (UK) »
Hi,
 Sorry dont have any info or hints about burials etc, but would you be able to tell me if a place called Sheermount is on your map or Lyre Seat
Thanks Dez

Hi Dez,
Sorry, but this map doesn't have an index so I can't look these places up...do you have any clue as to where they may have been?  Near to Cork city, or further afield?

Prue

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Re: Graveyards around Carrigrohane/Ballincollig
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 03 March 07 10:14 GMT (UK) »
Glad to be of help on the graveyards.  The Cork custom of territoriality over family graves has thrown up a few unusual situations in my own family.  My Great-Grandfather and my Great-Grandmother are both buried in different graveyards, although they both died in the same house, and my Grandmother and Grandfather are also buried in separate graveyards, because, like the Greats, they wanted each to be buried with 'their own people'.  It never caused any friction between them when they expressed this wish and was accepted by all as quite normal.

For Dez- I have never heard of any place in Cork named Sheermount or Lyre Seat and I know the city and county pretty well.  Is it poss that they are names of houses rather than places?

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Re: Graveyards around Carrigrohane/Ballincollig
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 03 March 07 18:23 GMT (UK) »
Hi all,
  1st of all apologies to pruem for hijacking this thread,Sorry!.
I am unsure where sheermount & lyre seat are  located. an elderly relative did some research many years ago into our family history. He left a scrap peice of paper with these names which i presumed were place names .there is some detail on the paper as to the location , but unfortunately i will not be able to access the paper for a couple of weeks.i will get back to you, thanks again pruem & ceallachain. DEZ

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Re: Graveyards around Carrigrohane/Ballincollig
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 03 March 07 18:25 GMT (UK) »
OK, Dez.  They sound like house names rather than placenames to me.  There are many big houses in Cork and its environs, so you never know!  Looking forward to hearing from you again.