1871 Census-Hastings/Brown

[valentine]

Emma Hastings, possible Brown connection.

Age about 20-24 years.

Single, no children.
 
Born about 1846 in Marylebone Middlesex.

Sincere thanks for any help.

[Barbara F]

I am not having much luck in 1871.

This might be the family in 1851

4 Camden Street, Kensington
John Hastings Head Mar 31 Gardener b Warwick Solihull
Sarah Wife Mar 33 Laundress Somerset Hinton
Emma Dau 4 B Middx Marylebone
Susan Dau 2 b Somerset Hinton

HO107 1468 f 339

I have not found them so far in 1861 or 1871.
Can you say a bit more about the Brown connection?
Just wondering if John died and  Sarah remarried for example.

Barbara

[Barbara F]

Just had another look at 1861 and it looks as though John has remarried to a Henrietta.  He has 3 children - oldest is 4 named Emma!.  So where are the children from his first marriage?

There is this death

Dec 1855   
Hastings  Susan     Kensington  1a 39

and this one

Deaths Sep 1854   
Hastings  Sarah    Kensington  1a 50

This marriage
Jun 1856 
 
DAY  Henrietta     Kensington  1a 35   
HASTINGS  John     Kensington  1a 35

Looking again at the 1861 census entry for John and Henrietta I am wondering if the age 4 for Emma is a mistake and it should be 14.  This is the entry

Bigon, Salcombe Regis
John Hastings Head Mar 41 Gardener b Warwick Solihull
Henrietta Wife Mar 33 b Wiltshire W...borough?
John H Son 3 b Surrey Camberwell
Emma Dau 4 b Mallbone Middlesex (sic)
Henrietta 2 b Surrey Peckham
Ref is RG9 1379 f68

I will see what this family is doing in 1871.

Barbara

[Barbara F]

In 1871 John and Henrietta are in Streatham with their children John Henry 13, James C 9 and  Louisa Cordelia 4.
No sign of Emma.
Barbara

[valentine]

Many thanks to you all for your replies and the extra info.
It appears John Hastings married twice, I do not know the maiden name of Sarah (No.1)
It seems likely Emma was 14 not 4 in 1861 census.

Between approx. 1865 and 1879. Emma married a 'BROWN' and had a daughter Emma (1874-1876 Kilburn). Mr Brown died prior to 1879.
In 1879 Emma re-married.

If I could locate the couple on the '71 census it would give a birthplace & first name for Brown. In the future a marriage & death certificate.

My goal is to locate the birth of the daughter Emma approx 1874-1876  Kilburn Middx. I have searched under the surname Hastings and Brown and sent away for certificates. Even Sept.1875 Hendon 3a 137 was a no match.
Daughter Emma appears on the 1881 census age 5 surname Hobbs.
Soon my hair will match the colour of the snow outside.
Thanks again.

[Barbara F]

Hello again

A couple of questions!
Could Emma b c 1875 be a Hobbs?
How do you know about the Hastings/Brown marriage?

The only Brown/Emma Hastings marriage on Free BMD is between Emma and a Henry Brown in 1873 in Aston. Is that a possible? The other couple are Emma Bridgewater and Thomas Feltwell (one of my husband's relations!). Both these marriages are also on the IGI.

Barbara

[valentine]

Dear Barbara.In my eagerness I didn't realize that you were the author of all the e-mails. Many thanks, I appreciate the time you spent on my request.
I have the marriage cert. for Emma and Hobbs 1879. On this certificate and later birth certificates for two children her status is widow with late name of Brown & Hastings. I don't think there would have been a need to carry the Brown name after the marriage to Hobbs unless they were married.
I will send for the cert. in Aston only because her father was from that area and the date is close. Although Brown/Hastings are popular names in that area. Long shot, but I can cross check on maiden name and father's first name.
My search started with Emma Hobbs (1875) before I knew about Brown. The London area with its ever changing boundaries is a nighmare to research. Then my imagination went into high gear of perhaps this and that etc.
Regards and thanks again.

 
 
 

[Barbara F]

I must admit that the only thing in favour of that marriage is the location!
I have had a quick look at the 1881 census for a Henry Brown married to an Emma b c 1847 and no one jumps out - so maybe you will be lucky!
Pity Emma appears to have married a Brown rather than someone with a more unusual surname, because searching for the death of her first husband might have been easier.
Let us know what the certificate says when you get it.
Barbara

[valentine]

Barbara, I must be sounding like the proverbial squeaky wheel. My LAST request to you whenever you have a moment, and before I have to put you on the payroll.

Would you kindly check the 1871 census for Emma Hastings age 19  residing in Camberwell and if her place of birth matches Marylebone,Middx/London and if there is a Mr Brown. Just a wild hunch. I see there are three Emma's in Lambeth and one in Camberwell where her brother was born. (1837online index)

Many thanks