CARVER Ramblings

[Nick Carver]

Chris

Perhaps I could help you unravel any Hull Carvers? My gg grandfather and two of his brothers moved there in the 1840s and I have spent a lot of time trying to sort out their progeny from that of a Nottinghamshire Carver who moved there at the same time and seems to have been trying his hardest to cause confusion by giving his children similar names at similar times.

Nick

[janan]

seems to have been trying his hardest to cause confusion by giving his children similar names at similar times.

He's not alone in that -  since trying to link in the Southill Carvers with my Wrestlingworth lot my head has been threatening to explode with all the John, Thomas and Samuels

Jan

[becu46]

Hi everyone,
I'm Barbara, who has been in contact with Jan.   Chris Carver and I are descended from the same line of Carvers and are hopefully connected to Beverley and Jan.

I have another will, which mentions William Crole Carver.  The will of Samuel Carver, late of St. Paul's Churchyard in the City of London, Printseller, now of Myddelton House, Enfield, Mdx. signed 22 Oct 1838 was proved 23 October 1841 London.   Samuel was a partner with Henry Carrington Bowles in the firm of Bowles and Carver, engravers and printsellers. 

Bequests were left to:

Nephew John Carver, son of late brother John Carver.
Sarah, widow of late nephew Samuel Carver   
Mary and Sarah Carver, daughters of late brother Thomas Carver
Mary and Sarah also received another bequest for the benefit and care of their brother James Carver so long as he resided in their care.
William C. Carver, son of cousin, late Reverend William Carver of Melbourn
Samuel Ebenezer Carver son of late nephew Samuel Carver.

Samuel and Sarah are my 4 x Gt. Grandparents.   No will has been found for Samuel but in her will Sarah left property to each of her four children Samuel Ebenezer, William Thomas, Mary and Elizabeth Margaret.    I am descended from both William Thomas and Mary as William's daughter married Mary's son!

Other bequests were made to members of the Bowles family including one to Eliza Ann Carver Reeves, granddaughter of Henry Carrington Bowles and Henry Carver Treacher, grandson of Henry C. Bowles.

Barbara

[janan]

Hi Barbara
Welcome to Rootschat, glad you decided to join us here
I wonder why William Crole Carver is singled out in both cases?
Jan

[becu46]

Hi Jan,

Does the fact that William Crole Carver is mentioned in both wills point to his father The Revd. William Carver being the brother of Elizabeth's father Thomas, given the Wellingborough link?   If so, that would make William Crole and Elizabeth cousins and maybe explain his inclusion in her will. 

Barbara

[aussie carver]

The first Wellingborough connection for the Rev Carvers would have been when Rev John ( Wm Crole's grandfather )took up the invitation  to preach there 30/10/1770.
But remember Rev Wm ( father of Wm crole) seems to have bought up his family in Melbourn Camb.
As I said before thank goodness for Rev Wm he seems to be the connecting point for our research
beverley - sunny aussie

[Chris Carver]

Hi Nick (and everyone else),

Thanks for the offer, but it was Carver in-laws (ie Philbedge family) who moved to Hull and thence to Sheffield.

Sorry for the delay in replying, but life has been extremely busy recently as I approach house moving in a week's time.  I can see little leisure time until Jun at the earliest to get back into my research.  However, a little thought.

Many in genealogical circles quote how they went back to their roots at some time during their life.  Well I lived at Henlow (not too far from Southill & Wrestlingworth) on 3 different occasions before I realised there was a family link with the area!

Regards

Chris

[Easby Carver]

Hi everyone


There is an 1806 baptism in Wrestlingworth for an Ann Carver parents Thomas and Elizabeth (the only non descendant of my John and Elizabeth on the Wrestlingworth registers)


Jan:  Slightly left-field but is there any chance that this Thomas Carver is the brother of John Carver, one of the 'Hitchin Carvers', son of Samuel and Mary.   If the Hitchin John was 'our John' it could explain this other Thomas as his brother, especially if they were both in the wheelwrighting business.  The dates seem plausible to me.

I have a request.  I have a large family unit which I can not place on my main tree because of lack of evidence and despite much head-scratching- does anybody know who this James Carver is the son of please?

James Carver, approx 1810-1881, mainly of Cockayne Hatley but was in Wrestlingworth in 1841 who married Sophia (Bird?) and had the following children:  Amos, Jabez, David, Jason, Jonah?, Louisa, Maria and Martha.

Cheers all,

Neil.

[janan]

Hi Neil
Yes I would think it quite possible Ann could be daughter of the Hitchin Thomas - I haven't found anything else about him or the others after his baptism. There isn't a Wrestlingworth burial for him but there is a possible burial for an Elizabeth in 1809. He may have remarried and moved away. I have the details of both of Ann's marriages but they are not very helpful. The first in 1824 to Ellis Mathews was when she was only 19 but it just says by consent of parents ( does imply at least one is alive though); at her second marriage to Thomas Morley in Nov 1837 she unhelpfully does not give father's details.
As for James who married Sophia I have no idea who he belongs to as yet - he gives his birthplace as Wrestlingworth but I haven't found a baptism for him.

Jan