CARVER Ramblings

[janan]

Hi Nick
I've been looking again at the Wrestlingworth Carvers I posted from the 1881 census who decamped to Yorkshire and notice that the first family has a 2yr old born in Walpole Norfolk - which may  be coincidence. Also checked out children of William and Elizabeth Carver on the IGI in the right time frame for the William of Bassingbourn and Elizabeth Bird - none in Beds or Cambs but a clutch in Rothwell, Yorks. Again might mean nothing at all, but is all very interesting Will have to keep burrowing. Might venture onto the Yorks board and see if anyone can do an 1841/51 lookup for me.
Cheers Jan

[Nick Carver]

Jan

There is a clutch of W Yorks Carvers as well. Totally unrelated to my E Yorks Carvers who decamped there in the 1840s. Rothwell is on the E side of Leeds. I am very intrigued by the way this thread is developing. I rather suspect we will never find a common ancestor, but it is more entertaining watching something develop in this way than having no idea at all about what is going on.

Nick

[Easby Carver]

Hi again,

I know of three "Wrestlingworth" Carvers who later appeared in Yorkshire who were born in Walpole, Norfolk.  There are several villages in this area which take the name Walpole.  This group also seemed to have stopped further north en-route to Yorkshire, around Gainsborough, in Lincolnshire.

I checked with the researchers at Bedford County Records office why so many of the Wrestlingworth villagers ended up in the East Ardsley area (not just Carvers) and they checked out a couple of things (Duke of Bedford being a landowner in both parts or some Poor Law Union connection but could not come up with anything.  The next step to resolving this connundrum was to re-visit the East Ardsley end but alas I'm off abroad tomorrow for eight months and have now packed away all my notes, so can't do any more!

Regards,

Neil.

[janan]

Gets more fascinating by the minute Just looked in 1841 and there are 14 Carver in Gainsborough the two older men are born out of county. None in Walpole St Peter or St Andrew. Look forward to hearing more when you return Neil.
Best wishes
Jan

[Easby Carver]

Hi Jan.

I'm now back in the UK and starting to pick things up again. 

With regard to the John Carver who married Mary Willason in 1745 in Dunton.  I noticed in the previous reference to him in this thread by you, you did not mention the fact that he is recorded in the Dunton registers as being from Everton at the time of the marriage.   Was this something you were already aware of?  There are also seven children born 1746-1761 in Dunton to a John and Mary Carver.

Apologies if this is all 'old hat'.

Cheers,

Neil.

[Nick Carver]

A total coincidence saw me in Walpole St Peter this week. That is where the church that served the Walpoles is located. FWIW, it is widely reckoned to be the finest parish church in these islands and I can well believe it,

There are many, many Carvers from Norfolk. There seems to be a line of craftsmen from Norwich and the surrounding area and my own branch from the Norfolk broads. There may be a common ancestor for this bunch. One of my Carver cousins (6th cousin, I think) has a theory that the family hails from the North Walsham area, which is to the west of Norwich and not so far from the Walpoles.

As said before, I doubt there is any documentary evidence to link these families together, but it is rather interesting to believe so, Now all I need to find out is whether the W Yorkshire Carvers have any idea where their branch of the family originated.

[janan]

Neil
Welcome back. The info you give is new to me - had got no further than flagging up John son of John Carver and Mary Willason as possible for our John.
Nick
Look forward to hearing anything else you find out
Will give the matter some more thought myself
Jan

[janan]

A little more on their wanderings

First there are no Bedfordshire born Carvers in Yorkshire before 1871

There are a lot of West Yorkshire born Carvers in the Leeds area on earlier censuses some in Pudsey which is where some of the Wrestlingworth Carvers landed. They include George Carver born Leeds circa 1839 he is a Joiner and Cabinet maker son of George born Rothwell circa 1816.

In 1841 there is a John Carver in Leeds born out of county circa 1816. On later censuses he is in the Hull area and gives his birthplace as Bramerton Norfolk.

Jan

[Nick Carver]

Janan

There we go full circle. The John Carver (Leeds 1841, later Hull) is my 2xg grandfather. He married in York in 1840 (still searching for details of his wife's Maltby parents) and later, two of his brothers joined him in Hull, populating the city with a veritable plethora of Carvers. There was at least one other Carver family in Hull before his arrival - perhaps they were distantly related leading to the move there in the first place, or perhaps coincidence? There is also Joshua Carver originally from Nottingham also moving to Hull between 1840 and 1850 and confusing me with his children and their descendants.

I looked on http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/YKSlist/YKSCaa-Caz.htm to find the names of a few people who are researching Yorkshire Carvers and will contact them to see what they can contribute to the debate. Will post results here.