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Re: CARVER Ramblings
« Reply #153 on: Friday 07 March 08 22:27 GMT (UK) »
HI Neil,

I am descended from a Thomas Carver born c 1760.  His known brothers were Samuel Carver (b c 1756) and John (date unknown).  All three lived in and died in London.

Samuel 1756 was a partner in the Bowles and Carver printing firm of London (very famous).  His will links these brothers together as well as William Crole Carver, the son of his cousin William Carver of Melbourne.

So Samuel could have been a product of Hitchin Samuel's 1st marriage and John and Thomas of his second ( this fits with 2 of the 4 baptisms).

I need to find 1756 Samuel's baptism and the marriages of Thomas and John to confirm my theory that this is the line.  Otherwise, we know we are descended from the Southill Carvers, but how?

I suppose it might be worth asking if there are any other male Carvers descended from the Southill and Wrestlingworth lines willing to take a DNA test to confirm any links?

Regards

Chris
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Re: CARVER Ramblings
« Reply #154 on: Saturday 08 March 08 12:11 GMT (UK) »
I believe I did say a while back that I was going to post some notes I had made about Melbourn and the Independent School when I visited the Camb. Recod Office and I think I never got round to it.  So apologies for that, here is what I have.

The book was a history of Melbourn by the Melbourn History Group it’s ISBN number is 0-9549120-1-2.  There is a copy of the book in the Cambridgeshire County Records office in Cambridge.

“In 1791 William Carver, the Pastor of Independent Chapel, est. a boarding school for non-Conformist students.   This school had an excellent reputation.  In fact their reputation was so good that many C of E parents sent their children to it.   Carver’s school was situated on the High Street at Greenbanks with land stretching as far as the Newmarket Road.    90 boys paid extra for a single bed.”

“Carver’s son William, a successful classics tutor, assisted him (William Carver snr)”.

The Rev. William Carver was the pastor of the Congregational Chapel for 34 years.

The Old Independent Chapel built in 1715 was in Chapel Lane.

Samuel Morley, a former pupil of the school in 1816, in a biographical recollection described the school as the “best of its kind in the country”.

I also made other notes at the time of my visit.

William Crole Carver, father of Mary Alice, married into the Fordhams who were a family of bankers (John Fordham & Sons, High Street, Melbourn).

In Pigots Directory of 1840 there is a reference to a Day & Boarding School in Melbourn

In 1840 Melbourn was in the hundred of Bassingbourn and had  population of 1,471 in 1831.

In 1871 John Fordham was a magistrate.

I found no Carver in Melbourn on the 1871 census.

In the 1869 Post Office Directory for Cambridgeshire – under “Private Residents”:
   CARVER EUSTACE JOHN esq. M.R.C.S.
   CARVER WILLIAM CROLE esq.
   FORDHAM JOHN EDWARD J.P.
under “Commercial”
   CARVER EUSTACE JOHN M.R.C.S., L.S.A., surgeon, medical officer for the Melbourn district
   of the Royston union for Wimpole, Caxton and Arrington.

Arrington situated on Ermine Street was formerly known as Ermington/Erminton had a population of 317 in 1841.

In the 1851 History, Gazetter & Directory of Cambs. for Melbourn
“Principal proprieters” William C. Carver esq.
“Farmer” William Crole Carver.

In the 1853 directory William Crole Carver is described as “gentry”.   

In 1847 he was in as “Farmer + Miller”. 

In 1850 he is misspelt as ‘Calver’ and  “Farmer”.   
1858 had him as a “Miller”

In the 1875 Post Office Directory he is a “Private Resident” and in the 1883 Kellys Directory there is no entry.

Neil.

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Re: CARVER Ramblings
« Reply #155 on: Sunday 09 March 08 17:23 GMT (UK) »
A dangerous thing to do but thinking out loud...

The James/Sophia bloc - James was born around 1806 and lived mostly in Cockayne Hatley.  William of Bassingbourn and Elizabeth Bird were married in 1804 in Wrestlingworth, William having been baptised in Cockayne Hatley.  Therefore does this suggest James is the son of William of Bassingbourn?  He is less likely to be the product of Thos. & Elizabeth as their child Ann was baptised in 1806.   Elizabeth Bird died in 1809 and William duly remarried.  If William was closer to the Baptist Church group and still at a time early enough to still be under the influence of the Baptist Church this could suggest an explanation of the non-existant baptism record for James (I can't see a baptism record for any James Carver in Bedfordshire for this period).  It would also add weight as to why subsequent children of William with Hannah Pateman were baptised in the established Church as this would have been later and with a different wife.

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Re: CARVER Ramblings
« Reply #156 on: Sunday 09 March 08 17:40 GMT (UK) »
Hi Neil

Somewhere around there is a James and Sophia thread where such a possibility is put forward - I think by David (Bedfordshire Boy). Also wondered if he might be a pre-marriage son of our John and second wife Martha Michel as their son Jesse born 13 FEB 1812  wasn't baptised till 11 OCT 1834

Jan ;)

Found it

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,229051.0.html
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bedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell
buckinghamshire- pain
cambridgeshire- bird, carver
hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey
derbyshire- allsop, noon
devon - griffin, love, rapsey
dorset- rendall, gale
somerset- rendall, churchill
surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge


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Re: CARVER Ramblings
« Reply #157 on: Friday 14 March 08 11:40 GMT (UK) »
Hi Chris,

Let me know if I can help at all on the DNA side of things. 

Cheers,

Neil.

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Re: CARVER Ramblings
« Reply #158 on: Friday 14 March 08 16:52 GMT (UK) »
Hi All,

Father of Deacon Thomas:

In an earlier reference the birth date of Deacon Thomas was said to be circa 1690.  Do we have anything more on this?  I can’t see anything.

On my list of Bedfordshire Carvers, on the basis of this date I can only see the following as candidates to be the father of Deacon Thomas.

1. The Peter Carver in Sutton, husband of Joan, who was the father of a William, Eliz. & Alice (born 1682-1689).  aka The Carvills who married in 1681.   Jan – I believe you think this William may be the father of Everton John?

2. The Peter Carver who was baptised in Potton in 1644.  He may well be one and the same person as the above.

3. The William Carver who was baptised in Old Warden in 1664 whose father was also called William. 

All the other Bedfordshire Carvers I have I can eliminate as candidates for one reason or another.

Is this a reasonable statement on the basis that Deacon Thomas was born circa 1690?

Cheers,

Neil.

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Re: CARVER Ramblings
« Reply #159 on: Monday 17 March 08 19:00 GMT (UK) »
Hi All,
I've just found this board, very interesting. I think my greatgrandfather was a David Carver born in 1843 in Wrestlingworth and would be grateful for any info anyone has about him.
Ley

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« Reply #160 on: Monday 17 March 08 19:36 GMT (UK) »
Hi Ley

Welcome to Rootschat :D

First off this site

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/

Allows you to search the IGI by parish - Wrestlingworth is very well extracted.

However there are 2 possibles for your David- one baptised 1842 son of Thomas Carver and Lydia nee Bird, the other baptised 1843 son of Jesse Carver and Charlotte. You will need to have his birth or marriage  certificate so you know his father and get the right one. Although Thomas and Lydia's son moved to Yorkshire whereas Jesse and Charlotte's stayed in Bedfordshire so this may help identify which is yours. What do you already know?

Jan ;)
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bedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell
buckinghamshire- pain
cambridgeshire- bird, carver
hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey
derbyshire- allsop, noon
devon - griffin, love, rapsey
dorset- rendall, gale
somerset- rendall, churchill
surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge

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Re: CARVER Ramblings
« Reply #161 on: Tuesday 18 March 08 11:54 GMT (UK) »
Hi Jan,
Thanks for the info. I think my David is the son of Jesse and Charlotte as I've got what I think is his marriage certificate but more work required!
Ley