Charles & Eliza Ballard - Completed

[b.c.rayson]

Can anyone help ? They were both born around 1819-20, he in Westminster and she in Whitechapel - St.George in the East. I am anxious to discover her maiden name. They were married in Whitechapel in 1851 and credits are needed to obtain her name. She always seemed to be ' looking after ' children, described as stepchildren or a granddaughter on the Census returns and it would be helpful to establish just what the connection was. One was definitely my ancestor and two others might have been related to some of mine.
Many thanks.

[heywood]

Hello,
have you looked on Free BMD - there is an 1851 marriage in Whitechapel for Charles Ballard  - a possible bride being Elizabeth Barnes. Unfortunately however there are 6 bridegrooms and 4 brides! Does this name connect at all to the names you have?
It might be worth just going for the certificate.
best wishes
heywood

[heywood]

you would think that the Chivers children were Eliza's as they are listed as Charles' stepchildren. Do you know definitely that they were married in 1851? There is a Chivers in 1851 who could fit some of the criteria- will keep looking.

[heywood]

I'm not sure with your original question how much you actually know.
Eliza is with a grandaughter at one time- Lydia Phipps - she seems to be the daughter of Mary Ann Chivers and William Phipps.

I found the 1851 Chivers in 1861 so can't be her. Oddly can't find Frederick Chivers in 1851 and he should be there.

[heywood]

Well I can't think what to do.
I have tried to find something otu by searching for Frederick from 1861 census- no joy! Then looked for all sorts of clues- still nothing.
I can only say that if you are sure of your marriage dates- get a certificate or pay the credits - it will be much easier!
Bests wishes
heywood

[heywood]

thought I'd have another quick look- bearing in mind you may already have all this!
Charles is perhaps married to another Elizabeth in 1851- found one born Westminster, a cab driver -as he is- but a few years older. Wife is older again so don't think it's the same one.
However, if it is your Charles and he and Eliza married 1851 then he would have to be quick!
Wouldn't you just know it- the only Eliza Chivers I can find is married to a Charles!

[b.c.rayson]

Thanks for all your efforts. i don't know if this will go through as all attempts today have failed. Just posted a general apology for failing to reply to you and Maz1 who also replied.

All the info: you sent is the same as I have - it's Eliza Ballard's maiden name I'm looking for as think she may have been a Chivers originally or married to one before Ballard marriage - they were neither of them very young in 1851 so possible a 2nd marriage for her, just to complicate matters.

Anyway, thanks again.

[heywood]

Yes I wondered that.
 May I just ask - you say they were married in 1851- how do you know? And if you do know - why don't you send for the certificate?
That seems to easy a solution so obviously  not the one
take care
heywood

[b.c.rayson]

Hi,
Thanks. Don't want to get the certificate until I'm sure of a connection - too many already and not enough £7.00's to spare at present. !