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Re: Parish Registers
« Reply #63 on: Monday 14 July 08 16:29 BST (UK) »
Hi Newbury chap,

The access is to documents is for free?
Would we buy anything at our own risk from anywhere  ;)

Obtaining an image is finalised when you 'see' the result image. If it's blurred or 'not there' for what ever reason, the purchase has not happened/taken place.

I would like to know how the customer rights on purchases work here.

Are BRO pulling a fast one?

Don't get me wrong - I would far rather not pay the £2. However, other ROs charge for camera use (Bucks for one) so I would hope they have thougt the legal issues through. At a guess I would surmise that they would argue that they are charging to allow you to do something beyond the norm.

You obviously view it as a charge for the picture - they would view it as a charge to allow you to take the photograph. Charging gives them the opportunity to a) get you to sign a copyright commitment and b) to check that the document is okay to copy (some owners do not allow copying). Of course they could get you to fill in the form and not charge - but they could also argue that the staff time taken in sorting out the form is what they are charging for.

Why don't you drop them an email and ask the basis for the charge? It would be interesting the see their response to your points.
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Re: Parish Registers
« Reply #64 on: Sunday 14 September 08 00:07 BST (UK) »
"What Dr. Durant almost certainly does not want is images of Berkshire parish registers on CD - once digitised the copyright will be almost impossible to enforce."

Ancestry.com, Scotlandspeople have this "problem."Oh do I pity them. The poor folks at these sites are bleeding money so badly - that I've chosen to voluntarily forgo that cup of coffee every day to send them some assistance.  Its such a problem that new companies want to get a slice of the "loss leader pie."

Crazy world we live in huh?

Dr. Durant's statement is one I'd expect to hear from an officials in Botswana. It is a cruel act of self subordination - undermining their own ability to make money from the registers.

Sure - they might see a reduction of income per person from a handful of customers, but they loose thousands of customers that would pay handful of money each, but a lot more in total.

But the real delight is that we don't need to pay tribute to these dignified dimwits. Most of these books have been published already in some form or the other and are landing up on Internet sites everywhere free of charge.

The pirates treasure parish chest train has left the building. Such a shame.

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Re: Parish Registers
« Reply #65 on: Sunday 14 September 08 09:24 BST (UK) »
Just found this thread. Very interesting!

Going back to Jill Russ's post # 48. Both Beds & Luton Archives & Records Service (BLARS) and Beds FHS sell the microfiche transcripts of all Beds parishes (which go from the start of the PR to 1812). In addition BLARS sells the same transcripts in book form

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Re: Parish Registers
« Reply #66 on: Tuesday 23 June 09 15:36 BST (UK) »
          :D Hello Folks,
Just showing this thread and thought I'd ask if there has been any update yet...  :D

             Lesanne.
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Re: Parish Registers
« Reply #67 on: Tuesday 23 June 09 19:06 BST (UK) »
          :D Hello Folks,
Just showing this thread and thought I'd ask if there has been any update yet...  :D

             Lesanne.

Hi Lesanne,

The decision by Berks RO et al still stands.

Additionally, I understand that the  Federation of Family History Societies,  when it recently transferred  its online records to findmypast, was unable to transfer all of them because of this issue.  This is the reason why some Berkshire records  are no longer on line.

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Re: Parish Registers
« Reply #68 on: Tuesday 23 June 09 19:58 BST (UK) »
It's good to see a thread that is examining these issues.
It seems to me that every county has its own different situation

I used to enjoy those records previously on the FFHS website, which will presumably not see the light of day again.

It does the that the County Archivist is making decisions that are not in the interest of many of his best 'customers'

It would be good if he were more open to outside views, and consulted before making decisions such as some other archives have done

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Re: Parish Registers
« Reply #69 on: Tuesday 23 June 09 22:15 BST (UK) »
On a positive note - Berks FHS have now launched a Marriage Database which you can request (paid) searches of. Coverage is patchy so best to check first if the parishes and dates you're interested in are included.

Still nothing on the baptism front.

I'm constantly frustrated by the lack of Berkshire information which is available to those of us who live nowhere near their Archives. I don't realistically expect them to launch parish registers onto the internet, free for all to view. However, I do think that this particular Archivist (and he's probably not alone) should join us in the 21st century. What's wrong with publishing your PRs on CD/DVD like Oxfordshire do - you're not telling me that they don't garner one heck of a revenue from them.

Instead, us 'foreigners' (I come from Yorkshire!) are supposed to be mollified by being told that we can pay for research through the Archives. I was recently quoted £20 for a look up for baptisms for one surname in one parish over a less than 20 year period - the parish is not a particularly large one. I've done look ups at my own RO so I know of what I speak(!) and it would probably have taken me less than 15 minutes.

Fortunately a fellow Rootschatter who lives down there did the look up for me.

If it's not against the Rootschat Code of Ethics etc, why don't we try to fix up a Rootschat Look Up Committee consisting of people who will do free look ups in particular counties - always within reason, of course i.e. no blanket searches or vague 'could be's'.

Would it be possible? As I say, I do it already in my county and I know a few others who do the same in theirs. Or is it better to keep these things on an ad hoc basis?  ???

In the meantime...how old is this Archivist? Any chance of him retiring in the not too distant future?   ;D

Jill
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 BATHSHEBA BOOTHROYD bn c. 1802 W. Yorks.

Baptism nowhere to be found. Possibly in a nonconformist church near ALMONDBURY or HUDDERSFIELD.

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« Reply #70 on: Wednesday 24 June 09 08:51 BST (UK) »
Also having many Berkshire ancestors I have to agree with you, jillruss.

Spain, where I am, or Yorkshire it is so hard to find anything in Berkshire.  I don't understand why they can't produce CD's for sale as other counties do. 

I can't afford their expensive searches and therefore they receive nothing from me and I'm sure many others are in the same position.

I am sure there are many frustrated Berkshire searchers out there!

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« Reply #71 on: Wednesday 24 June 09 08:57 BST (UK) »
  Had a look on FindMP and there is a horrible absence of BERKSHIRE and OXFORDSHIRE in the drop down menu.....  ::)  ::)

          ;D  oooOOoooo  {{{ waving }}}   add me in there please Abiam...  ;D

Although I do get 'home' a bit more than you guys. 4/5 times a year.
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Cork=Howe   NZ=Coxhead   Canada=Fenn Cox Turner