1841/1851 census lookup please - MARNER

[Eyesee]

There is some info about Harriet on the IGI under Devon, but it is submitted. Has mention of William Marner, plus second hubby in Australia, so has more than likely come from someone in Australia.

Ian C

[Dinkydidy]

I am descended from Harriet through her second husband, Stephen Stacey. I have transcribed details of her death certificate and second marriage cert. On the marr. cert. she says her father's name is John DOWNER. The death cert. says she was born in Plymouth, but I think the informant must have got the ports mixed up. I would think Portsmouth is more likely, as there are many Downers around there, but none that I could find in Devon.

Harriet was said to be 84 when she died in 1915 (birth c. 1831), and to have married for the first time at 20 (c. 1851). Her first child, Harriet MARNER, was born in July 1853, supposedly on the voyage to Australia, and doesn't seem to be registered. Unfortunately, the death certs contained very little info in 1863, when William MARNER died, supposedly at the age of 60 (birth c. 1803).

I have not been able to find corresponding marriage details for them on FreeBMD.

Didy

[Eyesee]

Didy

Which port in Australia did they arrive at. The birth should have been registered at that port upon arrival, by the ships captain. At least that is what is supposed to happen. It did with one of mine into Melbourne in 1862. Was recorded in the ships papers as well.

Ian C

[Dinkydidy]

Ian

The Marners arrived in Adelaide - at least that is what I have been led to believe through secondhand info. However, they are not listed on any of the S.A. arrivals, which do have some gaps.

Their first child, also Harriet, is not registered in S.A., nor are their next two, born in 1855 and 1857. I was given birth-dates for these children, presumably from Marner family records, but will have to try and contact the family to see if they have a ship's name etc. (I know the person who passed on the info originally has since died.)

The most likely Harriet Downer I can find is one christened in East Wittering in Sep 1836. She is the only one I could see on the IGI with a father named John, and is most likely the one shown with her brother John at the rectory in AnnieCJ's reply. I wonder what became of her parents? Are they elsewhere in 1841? And is the family still there in 1851 and 1861?

Her age fits well, as my Harriet had 10 children between 1853 and 1880, which would have made her 44 when the last one was born. An earlier birthdate would be stretching it a bit far, I think.

Thank you for your interest.

Didy

[allibaker]

harriett downer bapt 29th may 1836 east wittering.parents john marner and mary
siblings include-
marriane bapt 7th sept 1828
john bapt 29th march 1840
wonder what relation the willis's were ?
regards
alli

[Dinkydidy]

Hi, Alli. I don't know about the Willis family. However, I notice that there are a couple of other apparently unrelated girls there also. I wonder if something had happened to the parents and that the Willises were operating some sort of orphanage at the Rectory?

Didy.

[Starteck2002]

Hi All, sorry to jump on this thread but i think it may be relevent to me too :-)

I have just found Harriet Downer in my tree and her siblings.

Mary Downer (b.1829)
Fanny Downer (b. 1831)
Charlotte Downer (b. 1833)
Harriet Downer (b.1836)
John Downer (b. 1840)
Emily Downer (b. 1845)

I found the parents John Downer (b.1811) and Mary Pink (b.1811) but this is causing confusion for me...

1871 Census shows Mary Pink (age 96) and Mary Downer (age 63) - Class: RG10; Piece: 1111; Folio: 37; Page: 10 for those that want to check this.  Is it possible a mistake was made or i have looked up the wrong thing?

[Dinkydidy]

Hi Starteck

I would be thrilled if you could shed any further light on the Downer family. 

I have a Harriet Downer supposedly married to a William Marner arriving in South Australia in 1853 but have been unable to locate the relevant marriage.

My Harriet remarried in S.A. in 1872, giving her father's name as John Downer, which fits the Harriet born in East Wittering (refer previous posts).

I don't see a problem with the Mary Pink (age 96) and Mary Downer (age 63) on the 1871 census as they are mother and daughter - Downer being the second Mary's married name. John died in 1864 leaving her a widow and presumably nursing her mother, who is probably the Mary Pink who died at 97 in 1872.

I am a bit confused about John Downer and Mary Pink being born in 1811, as I thought the relevant year was 1807. 

Regards,
Didy

[babykayleigh]

Hi

Emily Downer is in my family she married a George Smith these are my Great Great Grandparents.... George and Emily's son Charles married Rosina Green, their daughter Winifred Olive Smith had a child out of wedlock my father Anthony...

I have Emily's father as John Downer married to Mary Pink... I have Jonh's father as Thomas married to a Mary no maiden name as yet....

As for Mary Pink, her parents James Pink and Mary Ransom...

If you want to contact me then I have my tree under Tribal pages and GenesReunited....

Or you can contact me direct via email.... It's upto you....

Keren