William Briarley b 1823 Denton Lancs.

[dinkey]

Mary Sidebottom shown as sister-in-law could have been Hannah's sister but she is shown as a widow on the 1851 census so that is her married name and unfortunately will not help you determine Hannah's maiden name.

[Valda]

Adult ages on the 1841 census - anyone over the age of 15 were usually rounded down to the nearest 5 by the census enumerators (that was their instructions but some times actual ages are given). Therefore the only thing you know about William junior's age in Marple on the 1841 census is that it was somewhere between 15 and 19. Ditto the ages for William senior, Hannah and Alfred.

Regards

Valda

[Valda]

St. Michael Mottram-in-Longdendale was the ancient parish church for Tintwistle.

There is a baptism of a Hannah Fielding in Mottram at about the right time, but unfortunately no baptism for a sister Mary. There are other possible Hannahs baptised at about the same time (including even a Hannah Sidebottom).

HANAH FIELDING 
Christening:  05 SEP 1790   Mottram In Longdendale, Cheshire,
Father:  JNO FIELDING 
Mother:  NANEY 

There are 5 other baptisms for children of John and Nanny/Hannah between 1779 and 1800. No Brierleys but then William gave not born Cheshire on the 1841 census.

One of Hannah' siblings was Charles.

CHARLES FIELDING   
Christening:  10 JUN 1781   Mottram In Longdendale, Cheshire
Father:  JOHN FIELDING 
Mother:  NANY 

1851 census HO107 2152 folio 105
Hall Street Glossop  Derbyshire 
Charles Fielding  abt 1782  Tintwistle, Cheshire,  Head  Widower Independent
plus 1 lodger and 1 servant

However, Mary Sidebottom remains a difficulty, certainly in proving any connection to Hannah Fielding baptised Mottram.

Regards

Valda

[Pegasuss]

I tried a search on ancestry.co.uk for 'Mary Sidebottom, Bn 1881 (+/-1), Cheshire', and it came up with a Looong List, but there was none Bn 1881!

There were Intersting ones:

Mary Sidebottom      abt 1776 (2 entries)

Mary Sidebottom      abt 1786


P.S.

If someone as a Full Sub for ancestry.co.uk, could You please look them Up? (Maybe this will sort it out!)

[Valda]

Since Sidebottom existed as a surname in Tintwistle there is a possibility Mary married someone local to the village. A search of Sidebottom marriages in St. Michael Mottram-in-Longdendale on the IGI married to Marys gets

JOHN SIDEBOTTOM 
MARY WOOD 
Marriage:  24 OCT 1830   Mottram In Longdendale, Cheshire

JAMES SIDEBOTTOM 
MARY FIRTH   
Marriage:  12 JUL 1824   Mottram In Longdendale, Cheshire
 
SAMUEL SIDEBOTTOM 
MARY HOWARD 
Marriage:  12 JUN 1821   Mottram In Longdendale, Cheshire

JOSHUA SIDEBOTHAM 
MARY WINTERBOTTOM 
Marriage:  18 APR 1808   Mottram In Longdendale, Cheshire

If any of these is the correct marriage and it is a bit of a long shot, the earliest marriage would be the likeliest.
Joshua and Mary had these children baptised in Mottram.

SIDEBOTHAM, Charles   
Christening Date:   24 Mar 1811

Margaret Sidebottom
Christening: 10 APR 1814

SIDEBOTTOM, James   
Christening Date:   10 Dec 1815

Jemima Sidebotom
Christening: 28 JUN 1818

Betty Sidebottom
Christening: 25 FEB 1821

Kitty Sidebottom
Christening: 03 AUG 1823

Christiana Sidebottom
Christening: 01 APR 1827

Joe Sidebottom
Christening: 05 JUL 1829

Mary Sidebottom
Christening: 02 SEP 1832

This appears to be the family in 1841

HO107 110/2 folio 17 page 28
Wagstaff Street Dukinfield  Cheshire (like Marple a parish in Stockport) 
Mary Sidebottom 55  Cheshire
Ann Sidebottom 33  Cheshire Stretcher?
James Sidebottom 25 Not born Cheshire Corder?   
Jemima Sidebottom 20 Not born Cheshire
Betty Sidebottom 20  Not born Cheshire
Betty Sidebottom 18 Not born Cheshire
Joe Sidebottom 12  Cheshire
Mary Sidebottom 9 Cheshire

The unmarried Sidebottom daughters are together in Dukinfield on the 1851 census (it could just mean their mother had died).

1851 census HO107 2237 folio 341
Wagstaff Street Dukinfield  Lancashire   
Ann Sidebottom  42  Mathern, Cheshire,  Head  Cotton Piercer?
Betty Sidebottom  30  Stalybridge, Lancashire, Sister  Cotton Piercer
Kitty Sidebottom  28 Stalybridge, Lancashire,  Sister Cotton Frame  ?
Mary Sidebottom  18  Stalybridge, Cheshire, Sister Power Loom Weaver

All very interesting but absolutely no evidence of a Hannah Winterbottom marriage to a William Brierley and also tricky to find both a Mary Winterbottom and a Hannah Winterbottom of roughly the right ages baptised in Mottram with the same parents, where one of them doesn't die young, so this Sidebottom family remain an unproven possibility.

Not sure what look up you are requesting for a search on Ancestry. If you search on Sidebottom you are searching on the woman's maiden name and Sidebottom was Mary's married name.

Regards

Valda

[Pegasuss]

Valda.

Not sure what look up you are requesting for a search on Ancestry. If you search on Sidebottom you are searching on the woman's maiden name and Sidebottom was Mary's married name.

I had to read the above a few times!

How does a Search on Ancestry for a 'Mary SIDEBOTTOM, Bn C1881, Cheshire' look like a 'Maiden-name Search' to you? (I only meant through the Census Records)

I have in the past used this kind of method to work around a brickwall!

[Valda]

The difficulty in searching just for Mary Sidebottoms in Cheshire born circa 1781 on the 1841 census is the unreliability of the born in out of county on this census and the fact that the Stockport area straddles the county boundary with Lancashire so you would need to check Lancashire as well for anyone not born in county there.

The older Mary Sidebottom born circa 1776 was in Newton Cheshire - sorry I can only see one. By the ages of those with her she was also probably a widow. Two other Mary Sidebottoms in Lancashire both give a rounded down age of 60 and were not born Lancashire, either in one case the Mary was unmarried or in both cases they were likely to be widows - one was living alone. Other Mary Sidebottoms in Cheshire stating born Cheshire were in Prestbury aged 60, and Chester aged 56 - which doesn't look like a rounded down age (others appear on the 1851 census who don't seem to be found easily in 1841 so obviously these are not all the possible Mary Sidebottoms born Cheshire in 1841)

I'm not sure in this case where next to nothing is known about Mary Sidebottom, except her age and place of birth, a blanket search of the 1841 census in Cheshire alone would be of much help, which is why I started with the standard approach of begining with what was known (hopefully if the information is correct on the 1851 census and I doubt it is for William's place of birth) about her birth place of Tintwistle and attempted to connected to what was unknown - her whereabouts on the 1841 census.This has resulted in one match which either needs to be confirmed or eliminated (not an easy task) before looking at any other possible Mary Sidebottoms on the 1841 census since the name is not rare in this part of the country and eliminating or proving those Mary Sidebottoms would be much more difficult.

There are other records which can be searched in Ancestry and I thought what with the confusion of the date it was probably a family tree search to see whether anyone else had researched the family that was being requested.

There is one person showing an interest in Sidebottoms from Mottram in Dukinfield

http://www.fhsc.org.uk/fhsc/dkdirectory.htm

which is part of the Cheshire Family History Society which has an online database of members surname interests.

http://www.fhsc.org.uk/

Regards

Valda

[Pegasuss]

Valda.

Point Taken!

So, It looks like a bit of a 'Needle in a Haystack' Situation!

What a pity this Mary Did'nt Marry someone with an Unusual Surname!

[shireflyer]

Hi Valda & Pegasuss

Have been doing a bit more digging and have found the following;

William Whitworth b 1753 Arnfield, Mottram m Betty Moss 22/2/1778 and had the following children;

Sarah          c  19/5/1779 Arnfield
Debora        c   9/1/1782  Arnfield
Mary            c 18/4/1784  Arnfield
Hannah       c 12/4/1787  Arnfield
John            c   7/1/1793  Arnfiled  d 22/2/1798
Whitworth   c    1/5/1797  Hollingsworth
Jenny           c  26/4/1803 Hollingsworth

William Sidebottom m Mary Whitworth 10/10/1803

John Winterbottom m Sarah ? and had the following children;

Mary           c 25/  1/1789 Mottram
Lettice        c 19/  8/1787 Mottram
Samuel       c   8/  5/1791 Mottram
Hannah      c   7/  4/1793 Mottram
John           c   6/12/1795 Mottram
Robert        c   2/  6/1798 Mottram
Joseph       c  28/ 4/1800 Mottram
James        c    9/11/1801 Mottram

Joshua Sidebottom m Mary Winterbottom 18/4/1808

Ralph Howard m Hannah and had the following children;

Sarah         c 18/  4/1779 Mottram
Mary           c 12/11/1780 Mottram
John           c  24/ 4/1785 Mottram
Ann            c  23/11/1787 Mottram
Betty          c  13/  5/1792 Mottram

Samuel Sidebottom m Mary Howard 22/7/1804

These are the only families I can find with both daughters named Mary and Hannah who married Sidebottoms and their birthdates are relatively close.

However, I can not find any relationship between a Hannah Whitworth/Winterbottom/Howard to a William Brierley.

Any clues where to from here?

Are there any pre 1837 parish marriage registers fro Cheshire and surrounding counties that are free to search?

Thanks for all your efforts thus far.