William Briarley b 1823 Denton Lancs.

[shireflyer]

Hi all

Am new to this forum but hop someone can help me past a brick wall.

I am looking for the parents of William Briarley (Brierley) b 27/5/1823 c 6/7/1823 in Denton Lancs. I have found this entry in LDS which shows his parents as William & Hannah. I have confirmed this by obtaining the transcript from Manchester Council archives.

My problem is that there are quite a few William & Hannah's and without Hannah's maiden name I can't trace any further.

I have found William (b 1823 back to 1861 census where the surname was transcribed as Buirley.

Can anyone help give me some direction as to where to look further.

Unfortunately, being from Oz, I have the tyranny of distance and research is by web only.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[CaroleW]

Hi

I'm not sure - but I think you may have either the wrong baptism or the wrong census entry.

The 1861 census for William Buirley (Brierley) was for Derbyshire and both he and his wife are shown as born in Cheshire - not Lancashire.  I don't think the district is Denton - I think it's something like Lenton or Linton

They have a son Joseph b c 1850 Cheshire (looks like Woodly).  Looking at the 1851 census there is a Joseph Brierly aged 8 months b Bredbury Cheshire living with his grandmother Ellen Moors in Bredbury.  On the 1871 census - their other son Robert b Glossop 1853/54 is living in Cheshire with Ellen Moors

Ellen must have re-married as there are children surname Bowler shown as her children.

From freebmd - marriage

William Brierley/Jane Bowler June qtr 1850 Stockport Cheshire Volume 19 Page 270

And also from Cheshire BMD - www.cheshirebmd.org.uk

Cheshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1850
 
BOWLER Jane BRIERLEY William Stockport, St Mary Stockport ST16/7/138

However - on the 1871 census - William's birthplace changes to Gorton Lancs but Jane's remains as Bredbury Cheshire

[Pegasuss]

Shireflyer.


This maybe the right Marriage for Wm BRAIRLEY Snr:

To Hannah FIELDING
    
4th JUN 1819, Prestwich, Lancashire

[shireflyer]

Thanks for your interest Pagasus,

You may well be right, however, there is another Briarley christened in Denton Lancashire. That being Alfred also to William and Hannah. I am thinking that this is probably William's brother due to the same parent's name and christened in the same town.

I have his birth date as being 3rd May 1819 and christened 22/8/1819.

Maybe the birthdate is incorrect given the marriage date, but that is what is on LDS.

Or, then again, maybe they had Alfred out of wedlock.

Thanks again for your input.

[shireflyer]

Thanks Carole,

You may well be right about the census.

I have William b 1823's parish register transcription and death certificate, so am reasonably sure that I have the right person. William and Jane appear in all the censuses until 1871. William died in 1878.

As Lancashire Derbyshire, and Cheshire share borders, maybe there is a cross over of information with registration districts etc.

Thanks again for trying for me. I'll keep on searching.

[dinkey]

In the 1841 census they are living at Marple Cheshire

William Head age 50 dyer
Hannah wife age 50
Alfred age 20
William age 15
Harriet age 12
Emma age 2

If you were to order Emma's birth certificate as it will give you Hannah's maiden name

[Valda]

1851 census HO107 2154 folio 5
Derby Lane Marple  Cheshire   
William Brierley  69  Tintwistle, Cheshire,  Head Married Cotton Dyer
Hannah Brierley  60  Tintwistle, Cheshire,  Wife Married
Mary Sidebottom  70 Tintwistle, Cheshire,  Sister-in-law  Widow 
plus 1 lodger

Same address as 1841
HO107 112/1 folio 5 page 4
William senior states not born Cheshire in 1841.

If Hannah was the mother of Emma she would have to have been around 48.

Regards

Valda

[Valda]

Possible burial for Hannah in an adjacent parish to Marple.

14th January 1852 Chadkirk Chapel & St Chad Cheshire
Hannah Brierley aged 63

Regards

Valda

[shireflyer]

Thanks Dinkey and Valda for your help.

I think that you are both right.

These census findings are the only reference I can find with William Snr, Hannah and William jnr, although this would make William jnr's birthdate about 1826.


Having said that. I wonder what happened to Emma, who wasn't with them in 1851, but would have only been 12.

The 1851 census also shows that Mary Sidebottom (sister-in-law) is residing with them. Might one assume that Hannah was a Sidebottom too?

Once again, thanks for your help and interest. I'll keep digging away.

Regards