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East African Pioneer WW1
« on: Wednesday 21 February 07 01:02 GMT (UK) »
Hi wonder if anyone can help I have inquired with CWGC where I found the info of my rellie as follows:
SIMPSON, CLAUD CLEASBY
Initials: C C
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Pioneer
Regiment/Service: East African Pioneers
Age: 25
Date of Death: 15/02/1918
Service No: 3225
Additional information: Son of Amelia Simpson, of "Airville," Johnson St., Cheetham, Manchester, England, and the late Daniel Simpson. Born at Manchester, England............
But they said he must have enlisted there I cannot find anything more about East African Pioneers or any further info
Any help appreciated
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Re: East African Pioneer WW1
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 21 February 07 04:11 GMT (UK) »
Hi Perdy !

I found his medal card .... do you have it already ? it can be downloaded for 3 pounds 50 !!

Medal card of Simpson, Claude C

East Africa Pay Corps
3225
Pioneer
Date
1914-1920

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Re: East African Pioneer WW1
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 21 February 07 10:11 GMT (UK) »
Quote from: perdy on Wednesday 21 February 07 01:02 GMT (UK)
But they said he must have enlisted there I cannot find anything more about East African Pioneers

I must admit there is precious little on the internet about them! perhaps the libraries ???

It's interesting that the CWGC have him listed as East African Pioneers, but his medal roll says East Africa Pay Corps.  Both are individual units in their own right ???

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Re: East African Pioneer WW1
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 21 February 07 10:30 GMT (UK) »
I suspect the MIC is mistaken.
Notice it gives his rank as Pioneer but unit as Pay Corps, which just doesn't make sense.
Pay Corps should read Pioneer Corps.  :)

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Re: East African Pioneer WW1
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 21 February 07 12:44 GMT (UK) »
Quite right neil - I should have spotted that  :D

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Re: East African Pioneer WW1
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 21 February 07 19:48 GMT (UK) »

I'm not sure if these books would give you any information ..... but I wonder if the library might be able to obtain them for you !

German East - The Story of the First World War in East Africa.
Brian Gardner

A fascinating book on a little known and unusual campaign of the 1st World War

On to Kilimanjaro - The Bizarre Story of the First World War in East Africa.
Brian Gardner

An account of the little known World War I Campaign in East Africa, with the ingenius German Commander, Colonel Paul Von Lettow Vorbeck, pitting his wits against the no nonsense opposition of Britain's Lieutenant General Jan Smuts. Illustrated with photographs, and a selected bibliography

If you go to Abebooks and put in Gardner as the Author and East Africa as the title - you get quite a few hits

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Re: East African Pioneer WW1
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 21 February 07 23:34 GMT (UK) »
Thanks again Annie you sure are trying to help me here and again must say I appreciate it. I have taken a not of your comments regarding books on the subject.
Turner from Lancashire & Durham. Simpson from W/morland/Yorkshire/Liverpool/Ashton /Cheetham/Lancs. Graveling from Norfolk & Durham. Purdy from Lancs, Cornwall & Hampshire. Kidd from Durham & North Yorkshire. Wardle from Cheshire. Burgess from Lancs. McIntyre and McEwen from Ashton & Padiham Lancs. Gardiner, Levey & Cook from Hampshire & Lancs. Wilson & Cummins from Durham. Makin- Ollier-Hackney M/C. Johnson from Burnley. Heaton, Holt & Bullen from Lancs.  Bell & Dixon from Durham. Haslam /Lancs

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Re: East African Pioneer WW1
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 21 February 07 23:35 GMT (UK) »
*note*
Turner from Lancashire & Durham. Simpson from W/morland/Yorkshire/Liverpool/Ashton /Cheetham/Lancs. Graveling from Norfolk & Durham. Purdy from Lancs, Cornwall & Hampshire. Kidd from Durham & North Yorkshire. Wardle from Cheshire. Burgess from Lancs. McIntyre and McEwen from Ashton & Padiham Lancs. Gardiner, Levey & Cook from Hampshire & Lancs. Wilson & Cummins from Durham. Makin- Ollier-Hackney M/C. Johnson from Burnley. Heaton, Holt & Bullen from Lancs.  Bell & Dixon from Durham. Haslam /Lancs

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Re: East African Pioneer WW1
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 22 February 07 14:40 GMT (UK) »
HI
The Pioneer Corps didnot form until 1939, so he was not in the Pioneer Corps in WW1. The Indian Army had a lot of Pioneer Battalions in WW1
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