Where is he?

[Puffcat]

Harriet is using a tactic employed by some single mothers in C19, giving her baby the surname of the father as a second name.  OK if its a boy, but there are Mary Jones Evans and Sarah Thomas Brown's about too 

So maybe she did this for Charles too ....

I wonder if they married because another child was on the way ?

[Valda]

HARRY SMITH HOOPER  
Christening:  19 APR 1857   Claines, Worcester
Mother:  HARRIET HOOPER  

Born 16 months before his parents' marriage

Marriages Mar 1878   (>99%)
PARDOE  Elizabeth    Droitwich  6c 388  
Smith  Henry Hooper     Droitwich  6c 388

I as yet see no evidence that William Smith the market gardener aged 47 in Worcester in 1861 (aged 48 in 1871) has any connection with William Smith aged 40 a coachman in Bridgnorth marrying Lucy Baker in 1852.
Charles Smith on the 1861 census has a birthplace of St. Marys Shropshire. If you put just St. Marys Shropshire into an 1861 census index and look for anyone giving that birthplace what you find is people born St. Marys Shrewsbury. So the more well known church and area around it was St. Marys Shrewsbury which appears on the census as just St. Marys.

Do you have any evidence that Charles Smith actually survived childhood?

Regards

Valda

[pamty12]

Hi

I have the marriage for Henry and Elizabeth Pardoe, so that is good. I was searching for a death for Charles in case he didn't survive childhood, when I couldn't find one I started this post.
Interesting about St. Mary's. though. I might try and search for Shewsbury.
Pam

[Mr Gwynne Chadwick]

Hi Pam,

On 26 February, DS said;

I wonder (being a bit cheeky) if Gwynne, with his special knowledge of Bridgnorth matters, could possibly look into this aspect for you? If one (or two) birth records could be found, it might help to remove some of the confusion.

I'm glad to help but I have been desperately short of time. Hopefully, it has been worth waiting for.

Christened at St. Mary's church, Bridgnorth on 13 March 1853.
Charles, son of William & Lucy SMITH, Coachman of West Castle Street, Bridgnorth.

Buried at St. Mary's church, Bridgnorth on 10 March 1853.
Lucy SMITH, age 30. [comment - no headstone now exists]

Also found the Christening at St. Mary's church, Bridgnorth on 22 June 1822.
Lucy, dau of John & Sarah BAKER, Joiner of Back Castle Street, Bridgnorth.

Other children of John & Sarah BAKER that were Christened between 1822 and 1830.
John on 1 Feb 1824, Edwin on 26 Feb 1826, Ellen on 27 Feb 1829. There may have been others.

Send me a Personal Message with your email address so that I can send you a photograph of the entries for Charles and Lucy.

Hope it clarifies a few things,
Gwynne
Transcribing the Bridgnorth (Shropshire) town census and other records.
http://www.chadwickg.freeserve.co.uk

[janereid]

Hi,

Your Henry Hooper Smith who married Elizabeth Pardoe, March 31 1878 is of intererst as Elizabeth is the sister of my great grandmother, Mary Pardoe.  I am also trying to sort out the family tree and would be glad to share what little I have with yo.

Cheers, Jane

[pamty12]

Hi Jane,

I would be gald to let you know what little info. I have. I know that Elizabeth was one of 8 children to Samual and Sarah nee Barton. I have childrens names and some birthdates if you want them.
regards
Pam

[janereid]

Hi, I have the 8 DOBs but am hunting Anne Pardoe at the moment.  We have conflisting stories in our family about her fate.  She either emigrated to the States and died about 1873 or not.  Thus she was either the cause of great grampa going to the States or else he ran away to sea.  In any event he married her sister.  Also have the story that she was engaged to his brother who died young.  Why didn't I ask my Granny questions when I had the chance?  How do you fit into things?
Jnae

[pamty12]

Hi,
Elizabeth Pardoe married my great grandfather Henry Hooper Smith. They had  several children one  was Ernest Beniah!! my grandfather. His daughter Kathleen was my mum.
let me know how you are doing
Pam

[janereid]

Hi,

I knew about the marriage of Smith and Pardoe but not when or where or if there were children.  I would love to have all the details if you could spare them.

Perhaps I can help you with some info as well?

Jane