Where is he?

[Puffcat]

A Birth Certificate from this time will show from left to right.
Date and Place of Birth - Christian names - Father's name and occupation and address - Mother's name and previous surname - who registered the birth, their signature,  or mark, address and who they were [eg Present at Birth, Mother, Father , Occupier ]- the date regsitered - the registrar's name

But do not guarantee anything. Like poor little Jane down as James, a boy, and confusing the family historians somewhat.  Either the Mother mumbled or the egsitrar was a bit deaf. She could not write so could not read the entry and it has taken 140 years to notice !

[DS]

Free BMD shows both a Lucy Baker and a Charles Smith marrying June Quarter 1852 in Bridgnorth

It was William Smith who married Lucy Baker in 1852 and therefore if Charles was born in 1853 he would undoubtedly have been called Smith (not Baker).

DS

[Puffcat]

I was just covering the possibilty of him being born in 1852 just prior to the marriage and then taking father's name.

Can happen so I would always check that if no other likely birth was available

[Puffcat]

Sorry have amended the former post to read William Smith with a marriage in the June Qr 1852 in Bridgnorth

[Mr Gwynne Chadwick]

Some details of that marriage in Bridgnorth.

3 June 1852 at St Mary's, Bridgnorth.

William Smith, age 40, Bachelor, Coachman. Father = William Smith, Farmer.
to
Lucy Baker, age 30, Spinster, Dressmaker. Father John Baker, Joiner.

Gwynne
Transcribing the Bridgnorth town census and other records.
http://www.chadwickg.freeserve.co.uk

[pamty12]

Hi Gwynne,
Thank you very much for the marriage details. I didn't know their occupations, and it also confirmed the parents names.
Many thanks again.
Regards
Pam

[Valda]

I thought the William Smith you were interested in was the market gardener born circa 1823 in Herefordshire from the 1871 census, not a coachman born circa 1812 from the Bridgnorth marriage reference in 1852.
Is the Charles Smith you are interested in then the labourer on the 1881 census?

'On the 1881 census Charles Smith aged 29 born Bridgnorth, a labourer, was married to Fanny and living in Walsall'.

I had assumed you were probably interested in the Charles Smith who from the 1881 census onwards gives Worcester as his place of birth circa 1853?

What information does the Charles Smith you are interested in give on his marriage about his father's occupation? Which Charles Smith is it?

Regards

Valda

[Valda]

1851 census HO107 1975 folio 429
Arnells Much Marcle  Herefordshire   
Emma Smith  57  Lambeth, Surrey, Head Widow Farmer of 115 acres employing 6 labourers
Mary Ann Smith 32 Much Marcle, Herefordshire, Farmer's Daughter  Unmarried
Emma Farlow Smith  30 Much Marcle, Herefordshire,  Farmer's Daughter   Unmarried
William Smith 29  Much Marcle, Herefordshire,  Farmer's Son Unmarried
John Smith  22 Much Marcle, Herefordshire,  Farmer's son Son Unmarried 
Louisa Smith   1799  Lambeth, Surrey, Visitor Unmarried Farmer's Wife? 
plus 2 servants

Two William Smiths showing in the village in 1841. One aged 20 a farmer with head of house Louisa Smith. The other William was aged 25 with head of household James an ag lab, both born Herefordshire.
William Smith whose mother was Emma was not in the village in 1841. The head of the household at Arnells was Thomas Smith a farmer.
1841 census rounds down to the nearest 5 adult ages.

Regards

Valda

[pamty12]

Hi Valda,

Yes I have realised the ages do not match up. I am now now sure which William is 'mine'. I have a William which I am 99.9% on the 1871 census. His age is 48, birth Hereford. then on 1861 the same family Williams age is 47, birth Much Marcle, Herefordshire.
The thing is I am sure he married a Lucy Baker before Harriett, and that Charles aged 8 on 1861 census was their child. 1861 says Charles was born St. Mary's, Shropshire. Bridgenorth was/is in Shropshire. I am a little confused to say the least. I think I will have to sit back and re look at what I have.
Thank you for the help.
Pam