33 Percy St., Dublin - 1939 / Adoption

[-Glen-]

Think you should contact Tusla
https://www.tusla.ie/services/birth-information-and-tracing-and-adoption/information-and-tracing/seeking-your-personal-and-birth-information/faqs/

They should be at least be able to tell you if it’s likely your mother is a victim of an illegal birth registration and if any information on Percy Place survives.

I've tried Tusla multiple times. Unfortunately, nothing from Percy Place was handed over to them. It's worth a go though, because they do have records of St. Patrick's and some babies born at Percy Place had their adoptions arranged through St Patrick's.

It's also worth trying Holles Street Hospital because they hold maternity registers and sometimes Percy Place would send mothers in labour there.

Please feel free to message me privately for more details on my research of Percy Place.

Best wishes, Glen

[Bettybee11]

Glen I can't figure out how to reply to you directly.
The St. Pat's suggestion could make sense as they facilitated uncles adoption in 1953 from Temple Hill.
Holles street is so close so that would be an option to pursue.
I did contact the birth registers office on a recommendation and requested a list of all female births on that date in Dublin, no response to date. 

My Ancestry test will be back soon and hopefully tell us a bit more. My son did one and we have quite a good match to what could be his grandaunt so my mother's sister.

Id like to talk with mam first before contacting TULSA. Whether she will want to pursue or not I don't know. Delicate situation.


Did you get any information or have you done DNA and got anywhere ?

Best wishes
Berty

[-Glen-]

Glen I can't figure out how to reply to you directly.
The St. Pat's suggestion could make sense as they facilitated uncles adoption in 1953 from Temple Hill.
Holles street is so close so that would be an option to pursue.
I did contact the birth registers office on a recommendation and requested a list of all female births on that date in Dublin, no response to date. 

My Ancestry test will be back soon and hopefully tell us a bit more. My son did one and we have quite a good match to what could be his grandaunt so my mother's sister.

Id like to talk with mam first before contacting TULSA. Whether she will want to pursue or not I don't know. Delicate situation.


Did you get any information or have you done DNA and got anywhere ?

Best wishes
Berty

If I remember correctly, you have to post a certain number of times, before you're able to send messages on here.

I believe that the surviving St Pat's records are with Tusla.

The Ancestry DNA will most likely help you know one way or the other.

Did your grandparents have any siblings? If any of their descendants (for example, cousins of your mam) did a DNA kit too, then that would help.

I've been able to help about 35 adoptees/foundlings over recent years, so if you need a hand understanding the DNA results, feel free to ask.

All the best,
Glen

[-Glen-]

Thanks all will have a look at Tulsa and speak with Mum. Im awaiting DNA from ancestry to  see what that brings up.
Have the baptismal cert from St. Mary's Haddington road, 2 days after birth, but obviously that could have been altered on request, so would need to see org baptismal cert. Doesn't make sense that mum wasn't brought back to home parish for baptism.

Just re-reading this. St Mary's Haddington Road and St Andrew's Westland Row were both known to have baptised children from Percy Place.

Nurse Katty Dalton (from Percy Place) thanks Bishop Dunne in 1949, after her other half Edward Dalton's funeral was held at St Mary's Haddington Road.

Glen

[Sinann]

Doesn't make sense that mum wasn't brought back to home parish for baptism.

Depending on how far the home parish was from the hospital it makes perfect sense. They were still a bit obsessed with the idea of limbo for unbaptised babies so pushed mothers to baptise them before going home. When my mother announced in 1955 in Hollis St that she was bringing her baby home (rural area) for baptism she had to sign papers taking responsibility for the decision.
In 1957 she hid with the baby in the toilets.

Great to see the advice Glen is giving you. Good Luck.

[Bettybee11]

Thanks glen really appreciate the signposting.
If it's ok when I get the results through from Ancestry I'll make contact with you for some help.
Many thanks
Betty

[augustus08]

I see this thread has come back to life, so I will just add something on my own family link to Percy Place. Interested in any info others may have...

My mother was born at Percy Place in 1937 and given up for adoption. K Dalton is named as informant on the birth certificate. Mother's name given as Bridget Lavin, from Ballyhaunis according to the baptismal certificate from St Mary's Haddington Road.

It gets a bit complicated after that because she was initially given up in a rather informal fostering arrangement to one Mary Murphy (when only a few months old it would seem) who took her to Liverpool. There is more of a story behind Miss Murphy (she had had other foster children), but the war years were clearly difficult and she gave up the child a few years later for a formal adoption through a Catholic adoption society in Liverpool. We managed to get hold of documents and letters relating to that second placement, but the initial fostering appears undocumented (Tulsa have not come up with anything).

Ancestry DNA has not matched anything closer than 2nd cousin once removed, but on that basis (along with a lot of other matches), one side links to Kennys of Wexford and Wicklow. There are some Lavin matches, but nothing closer than 4th-6th cousin, so that could just be a Co Mayo ancestor a long way back. Nothing yet to tell me anything about Bridget (if those details are correct!).

Steve

[-Glen-]

Hi Steve, I've been researching 33, 38 & 39 Percy Place. Please feel free to send me a private message on here, if you'd like a hand at all.

Best wishes, Glen

[Kiltaglassan]

Hi Steve, I've been researching 33, 38 & 39 Percy Place. Please feel free to send me a private message on here, if you'd like a hand at all.

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