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Re: British Home Children - 1890
« Reply #63 on: Tuesday 13 February 07 04:34 GMT (UK) »
It's o.k. Mick...we always go off-topic when Annie's around :-X 

oh, what's that at my throat?  :P   

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Re: British Home Children - 1890
« Reply #64 on: Tuesday 13 February 07 04:55 GMT (UK) »


Boy ! .... I get blamed for everything around here !!  :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\
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Re: British Home Children - 1890
« Reply #65 on: Tuesday 13 February 07 15:28 GMT (UK) »
Yes, mostly for solving umpteen dozens of queries a day... ;D  ;D ;D

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Re: British Home Children - 1890
« Reply #66 on: Wednesday 14 February 07 00:33 GMT (UK) »
I agree with you J.J., Annie is wonderful and has helped me out loads of times in the past, but hey, I think that you're all brilliant!!. ;)

I've had a most informative PM from Migky (thanks pal) and shortly I'm going to draft an email to send to Toby at the Together Trust to get the ball rolling and hopefully get cpoies of the records.

The news about Denis, Mark and Mary Ellen has travelled the globe, my mum telephoned her brother in Australia to tell him, he is also really excited by the findings and is another one who has his fingers (and everything else) crossed that the records will have survived the years. They never knew their grandparents as they had emigrated before either my mum or her two brothers were born, it really does mean an awful lot to them.

I've been looking at the passenger list of SS Kansas of Feb 1900 from Liverpool to Boston and I'm convinced that it is Mark, moreover I reckon there are a couple of clues which could aid my research that I might have overlooked at first glance.

On the top of the page, against the first entry, it gives the chap's occupation as Foreman Cattleman (I'm pretty sure it says Cattleman), on every entry under that (including Mark's) the occupation is given a cattleman. It looks to me like they are a party travelling together, Mark is the only one who was born in England, of the rest, the majority are American or Canadian born.

One of the column headings asks the question - Whether ever before in the United States and if so when and where? All of them answer Boston 4/1/1900, so I wonder if they all travelled to the UK from Boston and then returned just over a month later, but why? I could understand it if perhaps a foreman had come to the UK to recruit men for work, but due to the birthplace of the majority, that doesn't really pan out. ???

There is also the question -Whether under contract to labor in the USA, all of them answer 'working as cattlemen'

Also they are all heading to different destinations in the USA, except for Mark and the chap directly beneath him on the manifest, who were both going to Craig Street in Montreal albeit a few numbers apart.

I'm not really sure what all this means, but a party travelling together does seem likely. I would welcome any thoughts or opinions.

Gosh, I've rambled on  :P My desk is covered with bits of paper with notes scribbled here and there and there are post-it's stuck on my monitor (sound familiar anyone? ;D ) I really must get my act together and make a start on that email.

Onwards ever onwards eh?

Mick ;)


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Re: British Home Children - 1890
« Reply #67 on: Wednesday 14 February 07 01:26 GMT (UK) »
Mick !

I found 3 more manifests with the Foreman Cattleman on ......... looks like he was going back and forth picking up "cowboys " ....
wonder if there was a ranch that he hired men for ....... I can't figure it out !  ::)

Just thought I'd mention it !!

Annie  :) :)

PS Wonder if they all at one time or another - were boys at the Refuge !!  :-\ either that or they were smugglers .....  ;D ;D  wouldn't that be exciting ?? though they nearly all had less than $30 !!
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Re: British Home Children - 1890
« Reply #68 on: Wednesday 14 February 07 01:53 GMT (UK) »
Hi Mick,

There is no available 1891 census for Canada. Only 1881, 1901 and 1911.  There is also an 1851 census which is available at the Canadian Archives (not indexed) and a 1906 census for Alberta.  That's the lot!

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Re: British Home Children - 1890
« Reply #69 on: Wednesday 14 February 07 02:13 GMT (UK) »
Hi Dorothy,

There is an 1841 (some parts), 1851, 1861, 1871 (Ontario), 1881, 1891, 1901, 1906 (Prairies Only) and 1911 Census available.  Some are on-line and indexed, while others you have to do the good old fashion way and look at them on mircofilm  :)

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Re: British Home Children - 1890
« Reply #70 on: Wednesday 14 February 07 02:21 GMT (UK) »
I found 3 more manifests with the Foreman Cattleman on ......... looks like he was going back and forth picking up "cowboys " ....
wonder if there was a ranch that he hired men for ....... I can't figure it out !  ::)
Just thought I'd mention it !!

Thanks Annie!

Cowboy smugglers, now there's a thought! ;D

I think it's quite likely that the foreman was travelling back and forth recruiting, I shall have to do some digging and see what I can find. I think I shall trawl the classifieds in the Times to see if there are any clues there.

Will keep you posted,

Cheers,

Mick ;)

I've just sent an email to the Together Trust btw :)
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Re: British Home Children - 1890
« Reply #71 on: Wednesday 14 February 07 02:22 GMT (UK) »
Hi Mick,

Here's a link to the Montreal Directory. You can search by street, so perhaps look for 107 Craig St.  The site starts off in French, but then goes to English.

http://bibnum2.bnquebec.ca/bna/lovell/index.html

Glad Micky got the pm to you, he's a good boy that Micky.  His wife has taught him well  ;)

Maybe we could pick out a few of the men from the ship manifest and see if we can follow their trails (cowboy talk  ;D) to see what they were up too.  :-\

I agree with you J.J., Annie is wonderful   I'll second that!!

Karen

Gandley (but known as Stanley in Canada)- Ireland to Birmingham<br />Ball, Kempson & Franklin - Birmingham<br />Shorter - Surrey<br />Dyer - Devon<br />Dawkins - Co. Cork, Ireland<br />Heffernan - Ireland
Huck - Alsace, France
Reinhart - Baden, Germany
Bowman & Ellis - England
Etheridge - Gloucestershire

Who all came to Canada in a little row boat, clap clap, clap your hands!!