Henry Popkin & Harriot Rawlins

[pegdoll]

A cousin has spent a lot of time trying to get to the roots of our Popkin line. She is now sure that Charles Popkin b 1840
parents were  Henry Popkin b abt 1811
                       Harriot Rawlins b abt 1811 They married  13 April 1830 Southwark St Olave                               
Their children were left as orphans when  Henry died 1852, Harriot had passed away in 1848. Their children ;
                       Alfred  b abt 1836
                      Charles b abt 1840
                      Emma b abt 1842
                      Julia b abt 1845
I'm looking for anyone who can increase our knowledge on this family. The Children attended London District School Norwood, All Saints Croydon Surrey.  regards pegdoll

[suzard]

It looks like the ages of the children are  a little out.

The children you mention are on 1851 census as inmates at the School in Norwood and p.o.b. given as not known - poor little mites , they probably didn't know how old they were!!!
I have found (what looks like) more children -and the mentioned children on 1841 census.

1841
Bath Street bethnal green middlesex
Henry popkins 30 S Weaver
Harriett 30
Harriett 10
Alfred 5
Emma 4
Charles 2
Walter 5mths
all b county
HO107/692/8 40 10

1851
Norwood All Saints Shool
Alfred Popkins 15
Charles 11
Emma 13
Julia 5
all described as inmates
all p.o.b. not known.
HO107 1601 664 15

Possible births/deaths
FreeBMD
Birth
Charles Popkins
Sept qtr 1838
Whitechapel 2 451

Birth
Walter Popkin
mar qtr 1841
Bethnal green
2 162

Death
Walter popkin
Sept qtr 1847
bethnal green
2 53

Birth
Julia Popkin
Mar qtr 1845
Whitechapel
2 ?o2

I have a possible marriage for Julia

Back tomorrow

Suz

[pegdoll]

Thankyou so much for the time you have taken for me. My cousin and I have been trying to find the correct Charles Popkin for a number of years as there are three born about this time and area. By a process of elimination we have Charles born August 1839 Bethnal Green to Henry and Harriot Popkin. The problem was that Charles  "married" Louisa Smith and had a large family but there is no marriage! Family history said they did not marry and we have done a lot of work on this and found no marriage.
Thankyou again regards pegdoll.

[suzard]

Have you checked this marriage out?

Name is slightly different -but it does happen!!
There is only one male and two females on the page

FreeBMD
mar qtr 1865
on same page
Charles Pipkin
Louisa Hannah Broughton
Fanny Miles
Kensington
1a 10


Did you get Louisa's name from children's birth cert?
Maybe she had been married before??
Suz

[pegdoll]

Yes the Smith name came from the childrens birth certificates.
No we have not looked at the marriage you found.
We did look at Charles popkin & Louisa Alma Smith 1875 at West Ham same vol different page number but it was a dead end.
Thankyou for your help, it could be worth looking into.
regards pegdoll.

[suzard]

I am wondering if you have the correct Charles - the one who we have been tracking who "married" Louisa - to me doesn't seem to be the same Charles who was in the Norwood school

That one seems to have married a Ruth???

Suz

[jennifer c]

Two Charles Popkins about the right age in London census 1861

1 Charles Popkin 19 Apprent. Tailor born Mile End  RG9/228/fol.62

2 Charles Popkin 22 Porter born Spitalfields
   Ruth 18 born Maldon Essex     RG9/262 fol 32

Jennifer

[jennifer c]

one is Charles Popkin in 1871 the other Charles popkins in 1871.

Jennifer