cant find birth record :o(

[candyflossyum]

can anyone help me please? my gt gt grandmother was sarah loeber,her mother was hannah loeber but her father is unknown,in the census we have adam loeber who was her grandfather.i know that her sister annie was illegitimate,her father was a neighbour who tried to kill hannah but i can find no record of sarahs birth.
she was born around 1845 if the age at census is correct and she was born in st james,westminster.
i would love to find out if she and annie had the same father. i cant send off for her birth certificate with these scant details can i? and i can find nothing on the freebmd or ancestry.
any ideas??

sharon x

[short_rach]

Birth index reference - Sarah Loeber

1844, Dec qtr,
District - St Jas Westr, 1  88

[candyflossyum]

wow,how did you do that!!
how to look thick in 5 minutes for me lol
thank you so much
sharon x

[short_rach]

LOL no worries - sometimes it's easy to look too hard and miss things (done it myself) 

[Allesandra]

Hello Sharon
Did you obtain Sarah's Birth Certificate for proof ?  and have you made progress with your Loeber tree since this posting ?
If not I can give you a little more
Regards
Allesandra

[epona100]

Hi, I've tried posting this before without success so forgive me if I am repeating myself!

I'm not sure if this is helpful or accurate but I have a Hannah Attannasis Loeber born 26 Jan 1805 Wapping, London (poss died Jun 1881 Westminster London.)
Anne Elizabeth Attannasis Loeber born Dec 1841 St James, Middlesex (poss died Oct 1864 St James Westminster, London)
Sarah Loeber born Dec 1844 St James, Middlesex

These are from very brief old notes as we are from the Conrad Loeber side of the family, but I have a written scribble next to Conrads brother Michael saying he married Hannah Attannasis so Loeber may have been her married name.
I have Adam Loeber (b. abt 1771 Germany) marrying Elizabeth Harriot 1st Jan 1800 St George in the East, Tower Hamlets. As far as we can tell they had:
Conrad son b. 1800 (our ancestor)
Mary Ann dau b. 1803
Michael son b. 1804 (who I have marrying Hannah Attannasis)
Richard son b. 1807
William son b. 1808
and poss a son Christoph
I have a death for Adam Loeber 13th Oct 1848 Drury Lane, St George, Bloomsbury, Camden, Middlesex; and a burial for Elizabeth 19th Sept 1838 Wycliffe Congregational Church, Tower Hamlets.
Adam Loeber was a Sugar Baker and also owned a tobacconists in Charles Street. There is an entry for him in the London Gazette 1822 for the debtors court listing Charles Street and Keate Street, Spitalfields.

[Allesandra]

I have a direct connection through Conrad & Sarah Loeber's son William Henry's Marriage and worked extensively years ago with two other descendants on this line so my data has been proved by numerous certificates and other records.
Your details regarding Adam and Elizabeth's children and second daughter Hannah Loeber differ somewhat.
Their children were, Conrad, Mary Ann, Hannah, Richard & William.
Hannah never married,  she had two illegitimate children possibly both by Michael Attannasis (he was living nearby on the 1841 Census) although on all later Censuses she refers to herself as a widow.   You also mention Michael's attack later on Hannah which was documented on Times Digital.
Her daughter Anne E. had one son Robert S. Loeber (I have his colourful history) and died about a year after his birth.
Daughter Sarah married in 1865 to Henry John Thompson and they had six children.

Allesandra



 

[Victor Harvey]

Hi Sharon,
How about, 1844 St James, Westminster 1 88 Dec Qtr?
When you are not too sure of a GRO entry I have found that when ordering a copy certificate if you just state the year, St James, Westminster and the name of her mother, GRO will search the year, plus the year either side and if they find the entry, with her mother's name they will issue the certificate. Failing that, they will refund your money.
Good luck.
Victor
p.s. I've just realised that someone beat me to the punch!

[Allesandra]

Hi Victor
Yes, you were right Sarah Loeber Dec 1844 in Westminster is correct.

I replied and offered to help 'Sharon' myself with her Loeber's back in 2008 but, she has not been active on Rootschat since 2007 !
so this is why I tried to help 'epona100' with her enquiry as I have all the Loeber data to hand.
Allesandra