TALFORD/TATFORD

[Tati]

There's a possible marriage James Tatford - Elizabeth Savage Dec 1855 Fareham 

... and a 14 year old Elizabeth Savage born Titchfield on the 1851 census

[patience]

Hi Rambler,

I think that must be him.  Can't understand why he doesn't seem to be listed on the censuses either.

Thanks again,
Patience

If Annie was living in Hove when she married, this might be her father's death:

Deaths Dec 1868 
TATFORD    James        37   
Steyning 2b 154

So why aren't they showing up on census?   They must be really badly transcribed....

Rambler

[Manchester Rambler]

I think this is Elizabeth remarried in 1881, but some of the relationships are odd:

RG11; Piece: 1098; Folio: 91; Page: 31 - 114 Shirley St, Hove
Charistopher Smith - Head - 31 - Gen Lab - Southwick, Sussex
Elizabeth Smith - Wife - 39 - Titchfield
Harriet Savage - Sister-in-law - Unm - 37 - Titchfield
Edward Savage - Nephew - 16 - Fareham
James Talford - Nephew - 17 - Fareham
Emily Talford - Niece - 13 - Southwick, Sussex

The Talford children match 2 in the 1871 census entry Tati posted, but should surely be stepchildren - ?

And Savage fits with the possible marriage record for James.

Marriages Dec 1855
SAVAGE    Elizabeth        
TATFORD    James
Fareham 2b 831   

Was James/Thomas the same guy??      

Rambler

[patience]

Hi Tati,

Thanks very much for your information.  Certainly the dates and places appear to tie up quite nicely but it remains a mystery why the father's name is down as Thomas in this one instance, if it was down as James there would be no doubts.

Best regards,
Patience

[Tati]

The IGI has a christening for a James Tatford

JAMES TATFORD 
Christening 03 JUN 1832   Fareham, Hampshire
Father JOHN TATFORD
Mother ELIZABETH     

but none for a Thomas. Perhaps Thomas was just an enumerator's mistake?
 

[patience]

Hi Rambler,

Excellent research, many thanks indeed.

The data seems to coincide too well not to be correct and agrees with what assumptions I had made based on the little I had gleaned from the marriage certificate.

Another brick wall crumbles.

Thank you all,
Patience

[patience]

Hi Tati,

Wonderful, thank you.  Better than I had hoped for.

Thomas must surely be a transcribers error in the light of all this other corroborative evidence.

Patience

The IGI has a christening for a James Tatford

JAMES TATFORD 
Christening 03 JUN 1832   Fareham, Hampshire
Father JOHN TATFORD
Mother ELIZABETH     

but none for a Thomas. Perhaps Thomas was just an enumerator's mistake?
 

[Tati]

Here's the family in 1841:
HO107/389/4 23 18 & 19
Fareham, Hampshire
Gudge? Heath
John Talford, 37, (occupation too faint to read) - not born in county
Elizth, 32
John, 11
James, 9
Elizth, 7
George, 5
Henry, 4
Richd, 2
Levi, 5 mo

(I can see them in 1851 without James - let me know if you want details)

[patience]

Hi Tati,

I think it is indeed Gudge Heath.

So much information to be getting on with.

Once again many thanks for all your help.

Patience