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TALFORD/TATFORD
« on: Friday 02 February 07 20:18 GMT (UK) »
Hi,
I am trying to trace James Talford or it could be Tatford.  His daughter was Annie Talford/Tatford and she was born in  Hants NK in 1858. 

I think James was born about 1831.  I haven't had any luck in trying to find any of the family.  Could you please help.

Thank you
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Re: TALFORD/TATFORD
« Reply #1 on: Friday 02 February 07 20:25 GMT (UK) »
Where did you get the name and age from? maybe a marriage certificate or entry? who did she marry and where and do you have any witness names? what later censuses do you have them in?  If you can give the full details from one we could try and work backwards to a time when she might have been with her parents.

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« Reply #2 on: Friday 02 February 07 20:27 GMT (UK) »
Births Jun 1858   
TATFORD    Ann       
Fareham 2b 428

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ANT: Nesbit, Potts; CHS: Gosling (Hazel Grove/Lymm), Hinton (Lymm), Johnson (Hazel Grove), Marsland (Hazel Grove), Massey (Daresbury), Sorton (Warmingham); LAN: Jackson, James, Potts (Manchester/Salford); MAY: Caulfield, Griffin (Leveelick); SAL: Goodwin, Johnson (Bridgnorth), Gregory (Wellington); STS: Goodwin, Gregory, Johnson (Wolverhampton); Hallett (Trysull); SOM: Dowding, James, Jones (Bath)

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Re: TALFORD/TATFORD
« Reply #3 on: Friday 02 February 07 20:28 GMT (UK) »
The one I can see has a father Thomas, Excavator  :-\
(1861- RG9/646 72 23)
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Re: TALFORD/TATFORD
« Reply #4 on: Friday 02 February 07 20:37 GMT (UK) »
Hi Phrishy,

Many thanks for your reply.

I have a copy of Annie's marriage certificate to Thomas Wakeham on the 13th October 1877.  She was aged 20 at the time.

The marriage was witnessed by Jane Etherington and William Etherington.

The marriage was took place at Cliftonville Congregational Church, Hove.

Annie was living at 97 Shirley Street Hove at the time.

Annie's father James was deceased at the time of the wedding.

It is unclear on the certificate if the name is spelt Talford or Tatford.

Thank you for getting back so quickly,
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« Reply #5 on: Friday 02 February 07 20:48 GMT (UK) »
Hi Rambler,

Thanks for being so quick and helpful.

The birthdate ties up with my information for Annie but I still can't find her father's records.  I think he might have married in 1858 in Fareham 2b 831 but I can't find any mention of him on a census.

Kind regards,
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Births Jun 1858   
TATFORD    Ann       
Fareham 2b 428

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Re: TALFORD/TATFORD
« Reply #6 on: Friday 02 February 07 20:52 GMT (UK) »
Hi Tati,

Thanks for your help.

Annie's wedding certificate states her father's name as James, who was deceased by that time (October 1877) and his profession was as a general labourer.

Kind regards,
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The one I can see has a father Thomas, Excavator  :-\
(1861- RG9/646 72 23)

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Re: TALFORD/TATFORD
« Reply #7 on: Friday 02 February 07 20:56 GMT (UK) »
If Annie was living in Hove when she married, this might be her father's death:

Deaths Dec 1868 
TATFORD    James        37   
Steyning 2b 154

So why aren't they showing up on census?   They must be really badly transcribed.... ???

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ANT: Nesbit, Potts; CHS: Gosling (Hazel Grove/Lymm), Hinton (Lymm), Johnson (Hazel Grove), Marsland (Hazel Grove), Massey (Daresbury), Sorton (Warmingham); LAN: Jackson, James, Potts (Manchester/Salford); MAY: Caulfield, Griffin (Leveelick); SAL: Goodwin, Johnson (Bridgnorth), Gregory (Wellington); STS: Goodwin, Gregory, Johnson (Wolverhampton); Hallett (Trysull); SOM: Dowding, James, Jones (Bath)

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Re: TALFORD/TATFORD
« Reply #8 on: Friday 02 February 07 20:59 GMT (UK) »
Is this too much of a coincidence?

Here's your Ann in 1881, birthplace Titchfield Hampshire
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&indiv=try&h=22064706

This is the only Ann Ta(l/t)ford I can see in 1861:
RG9/646 72 23
Alverstoke, Hampshire
14 Nelsons Row

Thomas Tatford, head, 28, Excavator, b. Fareham
Elizabeth, wife, 24, b. Titchfield
Elizabeth, dau, 4, scholar, b. do.
Ann, dau, 3, scholar, b. do.
Harriett R, dau, 8 mo, b. Alverstoke
+ 2 boarders  

Elizabeth is widowed in 1871:
RG10/1093 45 33
Portslade, Sussex
12 North Street

Elizabeth Tatford, head, wid, 33, Charwoman, b. Titchfield
James G, son, 7, scholar, b. Fareham
Emily, dau, 3, scholar, b. Sussex Southwick
Augustus Olliver, boarder, 6, scholar, b. Arundel
Harry Olliver, boarder, 4, scholar, b. do.
Frederick Olliver, boarder, 7 mo, scholar, b. Shoreham

I can't see Ann in 1871 at all  ???
 "My dear, I think the English pronounce it 'appiness"  

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