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Wholesale Drapers London
« on: Wednesday 31 January 07 10:25 GMT (UK) »
Checking the Census for a rootschatter I found a very large, what I think is a wholesale drapers in 47 Carter Lane - St Gregory by St Paul London.
I have a couple of questions
1. Where is it - near St Pauls?
2. Is it "Wholesale Drapers" on one page it looks like Woollen Drapers
3. Young Arthur Rogers & many of his workmates have an occupation I just can't read. I have attached a part of the image - the " word is Drapers
Reference is 1891 RG12/239  43/19 St Gregory by St Paul London - to find the address - it is about 4 pages back. The previous page seems to be a faily clear "Wholesale Draper"
4. Was it a well known firm?
5. Would all the workers have lived on the premises?

I'm sure I'll think of more questions  ;D  ;D

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Re: Wholesale Drapers London
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 31 January 07 10:50 GMT (UK) »
3. assistant/porter

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Re: Wholesale Drapers London
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 31 January 07 11:14 GMT (UK) »
Hi Trish

Have you noticed that Keith also had a relative who worked there (1881)?

Perhaps you could confer ;)

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,189891.msg933171.html#msg933171

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Re: Wholesale Drapers London
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 31 January 07 11:33 GMT (UK) »
Hello Cas

Many thanks - I couldn't initially believe that was a porter - but the more I look - the more likely - Do you know what does a porter do at a Drapers? Does he open the door for the clients  ???

I'll check the other thread - thanks

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Re: Wholesale Drapers London
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 31 January 07 11:38 GMT (UK) »
Hi Trish

I'm tending to think more along the lines of him being employed in a warehouse type establishment (wholesale draper) rather than a "shop" but I haven't managed to find anything conclusive :-\

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Re: Wholesale Drapers London
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 31 January 07 11:42 GMT (UK) »
It definitely says "wholesale" - but so many folks - I presume they must have some clients - I have trouble imagining what a "porter" would do there. Perhaps carry all the goods about I guess - as per porters carrying luggage - How does that sound  ???

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Re: Wholesale Drapers London
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 31 January 07 11:48 GMT (UK) »
Yes, a porter would carry things about.

Even large modern-day stores have porters to assist with incoming deliveries/transporting things throughout the shop but whether it was a shop or a warehouse we are talking about and, of course, I suppose the address could have been lodgings for persons employed by a particular employee :-\

Have you had a look at http://www.historicaldirectories.org ?

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Re: Wholesale Drapers London
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 23 February 14 12:51 GMT (UK) »
I too just fell across this in 1891;

A huge list starting with lots of Wholesale Draper's Clerks and (ditto) assistants.

But towards the end I see Waiters, (about 8), 2 Door Porters, A House Steward, an under house steward, housemaid x 3, servants x 5, and a house keeper.

I also find it called "The Deanery, 47 Carter Lane, St Gregory, London"

Something to do with the cathedral?

There's 100 people at #47 in 1891.

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Re: Wholesale Drapers London
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 23 February 14 13:29 GMT (UK) »
It definitely says "wholesale" - but so many folks - I presume they must have some clients - I have trouble imagining what a "porter" would do there. Perhaps carry all the goods about I guess - as per porters carrying luggage - How does that sound  ???

Trish

If it's a wholesale draper's, just think about the large rolls of cloth they would have had.  In those days, dresses were made by hand by either yourself or a dressmaker, not "ready to wear" as we have these days. So if you were shopping for a dress, coat etc., you would go to the draper's and choose appropriate cloth and have it cut from the roll for you (John Lewis still do this, on rather a smaller scale now!).

The porter would presumably take the cloth deliveries, bring the big rolls to the sales floor, help arrange them on the shelves and also quite possibly be called to help the shop assistant bring a roll down for it to be cut to order.

For really key cloths, where stock was kept,  I dare say there would be a "back of house" warehouse, where further supplies would be kept, ready to be moved to the shop floor.  Think of the organisation required with such big and heavy merchandise.

And then, I envisage, he might be involved in delivering the cloth parcels to the various customers.

If it really is wholesale, then the "shop" would include customers visiting to purchase rolls of cloth, rather than lengths, and - a bit like carpets - the cloth would need to be cut to the quantity ordered, or the number of rolls required, and then moved to a loading bay for putting on carts for delivery.

I have spent my career in retail - does it show?  ;)
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