Salter family

[krisesjoint]

Hi John.

We like our lookups to be on the boards so that the research my help the next person who may come along looking for these people. We now have a wrong family but that may just be the family someone else is after 

I was worried yesterday when I found this chap. So it is the James and Ellen in Lancs you are after then? If so I didn't find much yesterday but will give it another go. If it is the couple I found they were in Lancs with James suggesting a birth in Tiverton in 1881. 1891 he was missing and Ellen declaring married. 1871 he suggested a birth in Middlesex. Too very different POB. Wondering what made you think he was from Kentisbeare. Do you have anything further on him that may help?...........Kris 

[jckl]

Hi.  James is back in the 1901 census RG13 - 3427 -26 Ellen had died 29th Oct 1894.  James died march 1908.   My mothers story was, he came from a well to do family and that he was the black sheep of the family, he ran off with one of the maids then took his mothers maiden name of Salter, she said that he was a very well spoken man with a west country brogue, it was also said although I can't be certain, that his family name was Marshal. I found this story rather ambiguous, hence my research, it was to try and debunk it. There are other things in the story that I can relate later if needed. I have the census records of 1881- 1891- 1901 where the family are recorded .  I have the death certificate of the James I believed was my ancester, where a Mary Isaacs was in attendance at the death,I also have the parish record from St Sidwells Exeter of the marriage of James & Sarah as well as the copies of the 1841 and 1851 census record given by the Devonlink website. Sorry to have been so long winded, I have tried to outline my problem  Regards  John

[krisesjoint]

OK John,

I think the first thing you need get over is James and Sarah in Kentsbeare. They were a red herring. They are not your James's family. Seems you do not have the 1871 census for James and Ellen so here it is

RG10/3777 Folio 108 Page 34
14 Lydia Ann Street
St Thomas Liverpool
Lancashire

SALTER James Head 26 Mar b Puddington Middlesex Gen^l Lab
SALTER Ellen Wife 30 Mar b Brighton Sussex
SALTER John Son 9 Months b Liverpool

So currently we have 1871 Puddington Middlesex, 1881 and 1901 Tiverton Devon and 1891 missing.

Cheers Kris 

[krisesjoint]

Hi again John,

I am sorry to say I don't seem to be getting anywhere at all with this man. Of course if Salter was his mothers maiden name which he later adopted that is going to make it all the harder. I just cant seem to find him. Cant find the marriage either. Do you have Ellen maiden name? Far too many Ellens born Brighton to locate her......  I see his Children's name all so common also, a nice unusual family name would have been nice.

The only thing I can report (though totally out of my area  and lost in Middlesex) is there does not appear to be a Puddington in Middlesex, yet there is one in Devon, not far from Tiverton.......Kris 

[jckl]

hi.  So there maybe something in his Tiverton connection. I shall go back to my search and see if I can use some of the information that you have so kindly given me  John

[krisesjoint]

Quite surprised how many James Salter's there are born Devon around the right time. One even sometimes lists Tiverton    If only we could find the marriage and hopefully get his fathers name.....Kris 

[jckl]

I think you have hit the crux of the matter, I have been trying for 3 years to answer the marriage question, I think it would help if we had any idea where it happened if it did at all, 

[jckl]

Hi Kris. I have found at least two who may fit the bill, going by the age given in the Puddington census 1871,   1844 vol 10 page 300.  1845 vol 10 page 277   is there a way to find  any information from that   Jckl

[krisesjoint]

I am afraid not jckl, not without buying the certificate. Unfortunately there are quite a lot in 1841 and 1851 born 1840 - 1845 in Devon, and even then there may be another name involved if there is any truth to the story that he adopted his mothers maiden name. I didn't find any that appear to be a well to do family with servants. I would like to try to find the marriage if it exists. Do you have Ellen's maiden name? You could get that from one of the childrens birth certificate......Kris