TRURO - Saunders - 1840's

[deb usa]

This may be the birth:

Elizabeth Ann SAUNDERS
3rd quarter 1840
St Saviours, Southwark, London

vol 4 p 448

So  William and Elizabeth married 1st Q 1840, Elizabeth Ann  b 3rd Q...IF they married in the January of 1840 and Elizabeth Ann was born in Sept 1840.... they could possibly have been married without being pregnant LOL   

deb

ummm another thought ....she was 10 months in 1841 census ...so she was most probably born abt July timeframe ,,,,,, oops

[imison]

This may be the birth:

Elizabeth Ann SAUNDERS
3rd quarter 1840
St Saviours, Southwark, London

vol 4 p 448

So William and Elizabeth married 1st Q 1840, Elizabeth Ann  b 3rd Q...IF they married in the January of 1840 and Elizabeth Ann was born in Sept 1840.... they could possibly have been married without being pregnant LOL   

deb

Dear Deb

This is the same child - she is shown as having been born in 'St George's Southwark' in one census I have seen.

How brilliant of you.


Thank you again

Imison

[deb usa]

Imison

Who do you belong to ?    LOL

William and Elizabeth had lots of kids ..... are you descendant of Grace or Elizabeth Ann or one of the others ... and who does  the Great Uncle with the middle name Tregenza belong to?

deb

[imison]

Imison

Who do you belong to ?    LOL

William and Elizabeth had lots of kids ..... are you descendant of Grace or Elizabeth Ann or one of the others ... and who does the Great Uncle with the middle name Tregenza belong to?

deb

Dear Deb

I think it is GRACE who married and was widowed young.

She went on to run a lodging house in Camberwell.

There is a nephew whose surname was 'DUCK' and I wondered if this was a Cornish name as he was born in Cornwall.

thank you again

imison

[imison]

my uncle was Walter Tregenza Lane
and he married Ann Bull who had cousins in Canada  [names unknown]

[deb usa]

Hi again

You didn't say who you came from LOL

I am enjoying your Saunders people, do you need me to look up anything more.... ?

I found something interesting but obviously am not sure if it relates to your William Saunders b 1819, Stonehouse.

baptism: 14 mar 1819, Devon
William Saunders
parents : Peter and Fanny Saunders

The only reason I am mentioning it , is that William Saunders (b 1819) and elizabeth Tregenza had a daughter named Fanny.

Deb

[imison]

Hi again

You didn't say who you came from LOL

I am enjoying your Saunders people, do you need me to look up anything more.... ?

I found something interesting but obviously am not sure if it relates to your William Saunders b 1819, Stonehouse.

baptism: 14 mar 1819, Devon
William Saunders
parents : Peter and Fanny Saunders

The only reason I am mentioning it , is that William Saunders (b 1819) and elizabeth Tregenza had a daughter named Fanny.

Deb

This is fantastic - you have found the parents of William Saunders.

My parents once took me to Exeter Records Office and we noticed that many of the children were born out of wedlock on account of the parents being unable to afford to marry until their children were several years old.

Perhaps this was similar.

Thank you again - in one of the censuses it has been inaccurately transcribed as him coming from somewhere in SCOTLAND!  Yet it is East Stonehouse outside Plymouth, Devon.

I am so grateful.

I wonder if there are any other family now that we know of his parents.

Thank you so much, Deb.

I wonder if there is a 'DUCK' family in Truro as that was supposed to be Grace's nephew.

best wishes

Imison

[deb usa]

hi again

Who was John S Ducks mother? ... Elizabeth Ann, Ellen, Fanny or Mary  Ann Saunders....

birth:
1st Q 1881 West Ham , Essex, Greater London
John Saunders DUCK
vol 4a p 16

In 1901 he is with Grace Lane as her nephew but says he was born in Stratford, London. Which census did you see that he was born in Cornwall?

deb

[imison]

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hi again

Who was John S Ducks mother? ... Elizabeth Ann, Ellen, Fanny or Mary  Ann Saunders....

birth:
1st Q 1881 West Ham , Essex, Greater London
John Saunders DUCK
vol 4a p 16

In 1901 he is with Grace Lane as her nephew but says he was born in Stratford, London. Which census did you see that he was born in Cornwall?

deb


now you really ARE asking! 

two of them were still single and living with their father, William Saunders who was a widower and living, I think, in that area.  He was still a compositor. One of his two daughters was a baby gown maker.  Being handy was a family trait.

I think Ellen and Fanny were the two living with him.

However at the next census, one of them married and had a son who became a naval captain, but I do not know anything more than that, and that she turned up at her neice's wedding in 1921 in Southwark.

I do not think this was the DUCK.  So, I think it more likely that it was either Elizabeth Ann or Mary Ann.

I know that the family must have moved by 1861 because the enumerator finds them in Canterbury, Kent, much closer to London and Southwark, and West Ham, Essex.

Grace Saunders married, I think a Henry Lane who hailed from Ridlington??? Hall in Norfolk where I think he was a carpenter or such like - I am hazy on these details as I am trying to read the words on the censuses.  The reason for his death was a tragic road accident, and the eldest son then had to find work aged 12, to help keep his mother and family.

William Lane was the boy, and he went into the Post Office.

I cannot find the details of his WIFE though, as her details and her parents' details have hitherto been impossible to ascertain.

The family story was that their surname was changed from the Welsh name Vaughan/Vaughn to MORRIS and that they came to London.

The man was the son of a Welsh lord but his father did not like the girl he wanted to marry so cut him off without a penny.  The pair left Wales to come to live in London, and their daughter, EMMA MORRIS, married William Lane.  I do not know ANYTHING AT ALL ABOUT EMMA MORRIS'S parents but I do know that she was an only child.

I am so grateful to you

best wishes

Imison

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