Help with Looking TEBBS Family, 1881 (Completed with Thanks)

[Rosie J]

Hello Jap

I thought that you might be interested to know that I received the marriage certificate between Mary Ann HARRIS and Frederick James TEBB today and it is the correct family.  Just as a point of interest, the day and month of the marriage that is given on the IGI is not correct. 

I am going to send off for the Samuel Harris death certificate tomorrow.  Thank you for your help.  Rosie.

[JAP]

Hi again Rosie,

Thank you for letting us know.  It's good that it was the right marriage - I'd have felt guilty if you'd wasted your money    Perhaps the date in the IGI might refer to the calling of Banns?

I begrudge paying for English death certificates - they are so uninformative!

As you now know for sure that Frederick and Mary Ann weren't married when Sarah was born, it is possible/probable that Sarah's birth was registered under HARRIS.  FreeBMD has, in Lambeth, a Sarah Ann HARRIS Mar qtr 1868 and (more likely) a Sarah Ann HARRIS Jun qtr 1869.  However, there are also a Sarah TUBBS Dec qtr 1868 and a Sarah Fanny TIBBS Mar qtr 1870!!

All the best,

JAP 

 

[Rosie J]

Thanks Jap

It doesn't get any easier does it.  Concerning the IGI, it never occurred to me about the banns.

I have now sent off for the certificate for Samuel and it gives a despatch date of 20 April.  Things must be improving at the GRO.  The certificate will tell me the place of residence and there is always the chance that the informant might not be his wife but another son or daughter that I don't know about!  The births you have found for the three Sarah's (1870) are interesting - I will hold on a bit before sending for any though.

Later on I will send off for the death certificates of the TEBBS as I am interested to learn how and why they all died so young and in such a short space of time.  Certainly the HARRIS family in general seemed to have lived very sad and tragic lives.  If the references that you found relate to Mary and a new born child then it would seem probable that Mary Ann died in childbirth - maybe.

Thank you for your help.  Rosie

[JAP]

Rosie, it certainly is a sad outcome to what seemed a straightforward request where you might have expected them just to be hiding under a poorly transcribed name - not (as now seems likely) that all except little Sarah had passed on, and Sarah was in the workhouse.

If the dc turns out to be your Samuel, and if the informant is his wife, then that would at least rule out the 52yo Mary Ann HARRIS death Dec qtr 1871 in St Saviour, and leave the more likely (because of the location) 61yo 1880 death in Lambeth.

I had wondered whether the reason 28yo Mary Ann TEBBS & baby Mary Ann TEBBS (if they are yours) were registered in St Saviour might have been that they were in a hospital there and a hospital person might have been the informant of the deaths; the birth is also there in St Saviour - Mary Ann A TEBBS, Dec qtr 1872 St Saviour.

Ah well, I guess you now have the name and occupation of Frederick's father from the marriage certificate and thus some more investigations to do along that line - I hope they are more cheerful.

JAP

[Rosie J]

Thanks Jap,

Perhaps the TEBBS had left the HARRIS household and moved to St Saviours?  Maybe.

I am holding out for a while with regard the TEBBS as it will not take me anywhere unless I can find Sarah at a later time somewhere.  For the time being, I will follow through with the other HARRIS people.  Cheers for all your help.  Jay

[Rosie J]

Thanks all,

I am now convinced that it was Sarah (poor lamb) in Lambeth Workhouse.  When I am in a better position to do so, I will see what I can find in the surviving records on that place.  It all seems to stop at Lambeth Workhouse. 

Rosie.