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Re: COMPLETED...LYONS and FLEMING family
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 04 July 23 06:26 BST (UK) »
Oops, not found a death record.

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Re: COMPLETED...LYONS and FLEMING family
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 04 July 23 07:10 BST (UK) »
Hello,

Who did Elwyn marry? And where?

Added:Although the birth year does not 'marry' up, could this be the lady you are seeking?

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Lyons-4862

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HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: COMPLETED...LYONS and FLEMING family
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 04 July 23 15:04 BST (UK) »
.... My husband's late grandmother Elwyn Lyons ..... To date I have found a birth for her. She was born about 1879. Has anyone else found her? Fingers crossed.

Hi villagelass

Wasn't sure from the above ^ whether you had actually found the birth record for Elwyn LYONS ( ... as you've mentioned she was "born about 1879"  ??

I couldn't see her birth listed in New Zealand records (although didn't look all that thoroughly).

However, in the Probate file of her first husband Joseph STOCKTON. Elwyn STOCKTON is stated as having been born in "Melbourne, Victoria".    [Unfortunately couldn't see her birth registered there either).

Link to Probate file for Joseph STOCKTON >
https://ndhadeliver.natlib.govt.nz/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE77884771

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Re: COMPLETED...LYONS and FLEMING family
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 04 July 23 15:40 BST (UK) »
Hi villagelass

Just further to the information already given here earlier for Elwyn LYONS (later STOCKTON and SMITH), Elwyn and her late (2nd) husband, James SMITH, are commemorated on the headstone for Elwyn's daughter, Josephine Elwyn MUNRO (died 1939) who was buried at Bromley Cemetery in Christchurch.

If you go to the Billion Graves website > search on " bromley cemetery > christchurch  >  MUNRO" you can see a photo of the headstone.   Added: >   The Billion Graves link is also given in the wikipedia info posted at Reply No. 10 here (although you may need to register to access it ? )

It does appear from their funeral notices that both Elwyn SMITH and her husband James Corbett SMITH (died May 1950), were both cremated.

However this link to Bromley Cemetery > tends to suggest that each of their ashes were interred there, some weeks after the dates of their respective deaths.
https://heritage.christchurchcitylibraries.com/Cemeteries/interment.asp?surname=&firstname=&year1=&year2=&cemeterycode=7&plot=166&block=10

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Re: COMPLETED...LYONS and FLEMING family
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 04 July 23 16:16 BST (UK) »
Hi villagelass

The Bromley Cemetery records for Block # 10 (No. 3324 - which may refer to an earlier version of plot number ?) show ... "Josephine Elwyn, wife of Thomas MUNRO d.  11 January 1939, aged 27 years.   Also, her parents James C. *  and Elwyn SMITH - died 19 August 1950 and 9 June 1951" :

Bracketed in the records with the above, is No. 3325 (- although it doesn't show up as a separate plot) ... and this simply records the name "Joe."  [There is no date, no surname, or other identification. ]
Possibly it is meant as a memorial to Joseph STOCKTON (d. May 1918)  ???
Joseph STOCKTON's actual burial appears to have been at St. John's Churchyard in Wakefield (near to Nelson) ?
Funeral Notice for Joseph  >
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/TC19180525.2.23.3


[My note :  The dates of death underlined above, may not be strictly correct ??? - they seem to differ from newspaper reports and the cemetery summary of deaths shown in previous post.  ]


*   James C. SMITH was, strictly speaking, the step-father of Josephine Elwyn MUNRO (she married as STOCKTON in 1935).

   ~  Lu 

Added :   Findagrave (NZ) has a photo of headstone for Joseph STOCKTON (very difficult to read ) ... but a transcription of same reads ... "Joseph Stockton who died at Belgrove 25-5-1918,  48 years. "   :


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Re: COMPLETED...LYONS and FLEMING family
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 05 July 23 05:48 BST (UK) »
Thank you Lu and Minniehaha for all the information you have provided. Amazing in a short time, very much appreciated. My error, we do not know Elwyn's birth-date, have searched here in NZ and Melbourne to no avail.

We know about Elwyn's life from marriage on wards and that of her daughter Josephine Elwyn Stockton. The JOE on the grave is for Josephine, this was the name she was known by. She died a few months following her son's death. Her husband Thomas Munro was a WW2 bomber pilot who lost his life and is buried in the C.W.W.G. section in the Ipswich cemetery in England; we have visited the cemetery.
Unfortunately Joseph Stockton's headstone was ruined by a groundsman who ran his whipper - sniper over it. We had visited the day before and commented we would return for more photos the following day. Nearly wept when we saw how he "cleaned it, for us." Thankfully we have good photos taken before hand. Joseph's life we have, thanks to papers-past  and English folk.

The sale notice for Elwyn's house made interesting ready. My husband was always told that the grandfather clock promised to him by his grandmother, never left the house. Not in the sale, nor her crystal and good china.

The mystery remains where was Elwyn (known as Nell) born. The family who have appeared with the DNA match are all born in NZ. The children belonging to John Newman Lyons and Anastasia Fleming. No ancestry family has Elwyn on their tree. At the time of her marriage, she as a barmaid in a Nelson Hotel. Doubt Anastasia would have popped over Melbourne, for a birth when she had other children in NZ.

Many thanks again.