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Re: PEACE - Sheffield - 1841, 1851, 1861
« Reply #36 on: Monday 05 February 07 02:42 GMT (UK) »


Are you sure this isn't  your guy Ambly ??

1851

St Georges Terrace Sheffield

Charles Peace    27 Head Unmarried Sheffield Yorkshire Tin Filer ??
Susan Nicholes   32 House Servant

HO107/2338 Folio 422 Page 51

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Re: PEACE - Sheffield - 1841, 1851, 1861
« Reply #37 on: Monday 05 February 07 04:43 GMT (UK) »
Hi Annie!
Thanks for checking that one again, no I really don't think he's my direct Charles - especially as  in 1851  this one IS living next door but one to  William Kirby PEACE (who's at 10 St Georges Tce)  - thanks for the info - but as  WK's brother, then he does belong on my wider tree, and I'd like to tidy him up too, in that case. Both were  around the same age. WK and his brother, unlike my lot, would have and did have, servants.....

I have 3 White's entries - the Charles, I think is this same Charles in 1851:
1852: William Kirkby PEACE - Merchant &c. (Ibbotson, Peace & Co.)
home address. 10 St George's Terrace
1852: Charles PEACE Jnr. Merchant &c.  - Ibbotson, Peace & Co, h. 234 Brookhill
1857: William Kirkby    PEACE - mcht - home address 232 Brookhill

I can find mine (CHARLES - A) in 1861 and 1871 - he died 1875.
On the 1881, I can find the one I think is the 1851 Charles yourself and Rambler found (CHARLES-B):

C81: Ecclesall Bierlow, Yorkshire
REF:  RG11   / Piece 4634   / Folio74 / pg 40
ADDRESS: 6 Lawson Road
Head: Charles PEACE 57, Wid, Retired Steel Merchant , b Sheffield,
Serv: Lucy SHAW 28, unm, b Sheffield,
Serv: Emily FLETCHER 17 unm, General Servant, b Middlesbro, Durham

CHARLES-B  was widowed 1853, whether or not he remarried and was widowed again btw 1853 and 1881, I don't know - I haven't got Census for him in 1861 or 1871.  This Charles  died 14 April 1894 in Worksop.

My CHARLES-A  - I'm going to track down his siblings as far as possible, he might turn up in 1851 in  the process!

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Re: PEACE - Sheffield - 1841, 1851, 1861
« Reply #38 on: Monday 05 February 07 05:44 GMT (UK) »

Now Ambly .... I don't remember you saying Charles may have been a soldier ..... but it's not unknown for me to lose the plot !!........ but here's a soldier !! ( 'cos you know me and soldiers !!  ::) ::) )

1851

Cavalry Barracks Norwich

Charles Peace    27 Soldier Sheffield Yorkshire
 
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Re: PEACE - Sheffield - 1841, 1851, 1861
« Reply #39 on: Monday 05 February 07 05:53 GMT (UK) »
Hi Clever Annie  ;D

Thanks so much!

Now there's a good looking chap - I have never known mine to be a soldier - he wasn't by 1852 and was not in 1841 - but he may have been in between, a seemingly short term of service if it's him. His son Walter, though did become a soldier -  moving away from the PEACE men traditions of being lifelong File Cutters - maybe he got the idea from Dad... I might have to put "Get Army Records" on the mile long list of "Things to Do Which Cost Money"  ;D ;D

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Re: PEACE - Sheffield - 1841, 1851, 1861
« Reply #40 on: Monday 05 February 07 05:59 GMT (UK) »


We have to find the right regiment first !!  ;)

I went through 19 pages of soldiers trying to find the regiment  ::)  ......... I think it's Prince Albert's Own Hussars !!

If somebody can post the part of the image and see what you think !!  :) :)

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Re: PEACE - Sheffield - 1841, 1851, 1861
« Reply #41 on: Monday 05 February 07 06:30 GMT (UK) »
Erk! 19 pages!
Thanks Annie - for your Soldiering expertise!

 ;) ;) Could it be: 11th Hussars (Prince Albert's Own)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/11th_Hussars

Their nickname was the Cherry Pickers..

Another site says:
http://website.lineone.net/~royal.hussar/11hvictoria.htm
QUOTE: From 1838 the 11th served in England and Ireland until called forward for the Crimean war in 1854 UNQUOTE

Which would mean if that Charles is my Charles, he came out before the Crimeam.....What reason would there be for a chap to be in the Army some time after 1841 and out by 1852 when the usual term is 21 years or something?? Invalided out? Bad Behaviour? Very interesting!!

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Re: PEACE - Sheffield - 1841, 1851, 1861
« Reply #42 on: Monday 05 February 07 06:37 GMT (UK) »


You might try posting him on the Armed Forces board ....

lots of very knowledgable people there that may be able to help !! :) :)

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Re: PEACE - Sheffield - 1841, 1851, 1861
« Reply #43 on: Monday 05 February 07 06:48 GMT (UK) »


Here's a bit !!  ;)

11th Hussars

    1825   Jat War   
    1826   India   
    1838   England   
    1840.03.13   11th (Prince Albert's Own) Regiment of (Light) Dragoons (Hussars)
    1843   Ireland   
    1846   England   
    1852   Ireland   
    1854.05   at sea (embarked at Kingston)   ships: Glendalough, Asia, War Cloud, Parameter, Tyrone, Penola
    1854.06   Bulgaria: Varna   
    1854   Bulgaria   
    1854.09.   at sea   
    1854.09.16   Crimea: Kalmatia Bay   
    1854   Crimea   Light Bde
    1856.06   at sea   
    1856.07.28   England   
    1858.07.30   Aldershot   
    1861   Ireland   
    1865   England   

http://website.lineone.net/~royal.hussar/11hhomepage.htm

My mate Mick the Hippy .... gave this information to somebody else looking for the 11 th !!

They were involved in the Charge of the Light Brigade !! but that was around 1854 ... I think !!

In 1837 the regiment was in Cawnpore in having served in India for 18 years.In December 1837 they left Cawnpore and India via Calcutta where the regiment was put aboard two ships, the Repulse and the Thames.The 200 men aboard the Thames had a terrible 700 mile journey due to there being no proper accomodation and a total lack of any hammocks or bedding!

When they arrived back in England they were posted via Chichester to Canterbury where they remained until 1840 when they were moved to Preston Barracks in Brighton,half of the regiment were quartered at the Royal Pavillions.It was at this time that the name of the regiment was changed from the 11th Light Dragoons to the 11th (Prince Albert's Own) Hussars on account of their having escorted Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg on his arrival in England on his way to marry Queen Victoria.

The regiment left Brighton on the 22nd March 1841 and were ordered to do 'Queen's Duty' providing escorts for Royal journeys and visits, they were quartered at Hounslow Barracks with a detatchments of the regiment at Hampton Court, Kensington and the Royal Military College at Sandhurst.In the summer of 1841 they escorted the Queen to Nuneham, Woolwich and Woburn.

In April 1842 they were sent to York due to the threat of civil unrest by the Chartists and by August 1842 there were detatchments of the regiment in Halifax, Rochdale and Glossop where their duties included escorting Chartist prisoners to and from Goal to court.

On the 25th April 1843, and due to the troubles in Ireland, they left York and travelled to Dublin via Liverpool.In Dublin they were quartered at the Royal Barracks near Pheonix Park.

Returning from Ireland in May 1846, they spent the next two years at Coventry with a detatchment at Manchester.

From 1848 to 1850 they were back at Hounslow escorting the Queen, and in 1850 they went to Norwich where they stayed until 1852 when they returned once again to Dublin and that's where they were when war was declared in the Crimea.
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Re: PEACE - Sheffield - 1841, 1851, 1861
« Reply #44 on: Monday 05 February 07 07:07 GMT (UK) »
Here's a picture of the uniform !!

http://www.hussards-photos.com/UK/UK_11.htm

Annie  :)

PS Were any of the children born in Ireland - do you know ?? if they did have children there - Pat Reid says
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I think that the 11th was stationed in Newbridge. There is reference to that in the Ballina Chronicle September 26 1849.

http://www.irelandoldnews.com/Mayo/1849/SEP.html

Hope you find something .... ( though 1849 may be  bit late !! )

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