born Barony, Lanark 1866 - 1869???

[Mollydog]

Hi, I have an 1881 census which says 14 year old William Menzies was born in Barony, Lanark.  Could someone please give me some other options as to what other district names Barony may otherwise have been called around that time?  My searches in Scotlandspeople, IGI or LDS are not coming up with anything at all. 

Regards
Molldog

[JustJean]

Hi there

Just a quick thought.....after viewing the 1881 census...and assuming that the William you refer to is in Hamilton in 1881 with father John and mother Isabella.  I couldn't help but notice that Wililam is listed as same age as John Jr.  And then there is a bit of a gap in ages and then picks up with Thomas etc.  This can be a sign that you're looking at a new mother.  Checking the BC of baby George states that John and Isabella were only married in 1872 so if this proves out then Isabella is not William's mother...or is she??  Maybe William was not born a Menzies?   SP website is down right now so can't look further but maybe there is more digging to be done. 

Hope this helps
Jean

[tidybooks]

Follow the link for a description of the barony Parish, not cut and dried, though.

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/LKS/Barony/index.html

Tom

[RJ_Paton]

The link provided does give a good description of "barony" but as it also explains as Glasgow grew it encompassed the area once known as barony.
For an 1860's search on Scotland's people select "City of Glasgow" as the area and this should help.

However as noted by justjean the age discrepancies could point to a second marriage .....as john junior was born in edinburgh where John Senior also came from could this indicate that John is John's son from an earlier marriage and that William is Isabella's by an earlier mariage.

Although having muddied the waters somewhat it has to be admitted that this family did travel about quite a bit judging by the differing birthplaces.

[yn9man]

Follow the link for a description of the barony Parish, not cut and dried, though.

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/LKS/Barony/index.html

Tom

The link provided does give a good description of "barony" but as it also explains as Glasgow grew it encompassed the area once known as barony.
For an 1860's search on Scotland's people select "City of Glasgow" as the area and this should help.

Thanks for your information regarding Barony and the links to the information. Will be helpful to my research.

yn9man

[Mollydog]

Thank you to everyone, yes Isabella Warden was John Menzies second wife.  they married in 1872, two months after his first wife, Marion Lumsden died.  On their marriage certificate Isabella is listed as a spinster, domestic servant and living in Springburn, Maryhill.  I had the same thought that William may have been her son, but my birth searches of a William Warden born around 1867 come up with nothing.  My initial thoughts were that William was an illigitimate, because why would a spinster marry a man with nine children.  There was a year space before and after John jnr for William to be born (1866 and 1868).  John jnr was listed as 14 on the 1881 census, but he would not have been 14 until 18 July, so I was thinking that William may have been born in 1866 and was already 14.

Thanks Tom for the link explaining Barony.  It will certainly be helpful to keep this in mind for my research.

Anyway, thanks again but any more suggestions would be very much appreciated.

Regards
Mollydog

[JustJean]

Well....how about finding Isabella on the 1871 census?  And see if she's under her MN or who is living with her?....or perhaps you've already found the Menzies family in 1871 and William is with them??  Unfortunately SP is down right now for veiwing images so it's hurry up and wait............

Best wishes
Jean

[Mollydog]

Thanks Jean, I have found the Menzies family in the 1871 Census, but father, John and son, William are not with the family on that night, so I assumed they were maybe visiting another family member.  I also searched for Isabella Warden in the 1871 Census, but couldn't find her either.

It is just so exasperating!!!!!

Regards
Mollydog 

[tidybooks]

Great stuff, Jean and Molly you will get a thriller out of this one yet.

I did a SP search for Isabella Warden only 3 births,
1- parents Thomas & Margaret (Turnbull) 1823
2 - parents James & Margaret (Rennie) 1829
3 - parents Alexander & Catherine (Smith) 1849

Looked at John menzies/isabella warden MCm and parents of isabella are Thomas and Margaret (Gibson), no recor of that marriage on SP or LDS, did a family search on LDS and no kids either.

This is a cracker, but will need to get to bed.

Tom