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Re: Mystery of Great Grandfather Mc Laven
« Reply #45 on: Saturday 27 January 07 14:54 GMT (UK) »
HI Girls

It dawned on me that McLaven could also have been mistranscribed as McLaren,although as we have found there are a few called McLaven,so it must have been a surname in it's own right.

I'm now sitting here like a nellie,reapeating Mclaven over and over in my head in as Scottish an accent as I can muster, to work out what else it could be  ;D ;D ;D

Always said you have to be mad to be a genealogist.

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Re: Mystery of Great Grandfather Mc Laven
« Reply #46 on: Saturday 27 January 07 14:59 GMT (UK) »
Gawd I love you lot on here !!! ;D

LAUGHED out loud thinking of you sitting there saying !!! (love to see look on the face of your family !)

On Sydneys son, Sydneys Army Records he was incorrectly put down as MCLAYEN. .....

Just found that out..so off to check Ancestry for that !!

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Re: Mystery of Great Grandfather Mc Laven
« Reply #47 on: Saturday 27 January 07 17:52 GMT (UK) »
Ragna,

You probably already know this, but I'll mention it just in case.  When checking for someone named Sydney, I always search on sid* and syd*.

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Re: Mystery of Great Grandfather Mc Laven
« Reply #48 on: Sunday 28 January 07 23:06 GMT (UK) »
Hi McLaven detectives
I was married to a Scot for a long time and lived in Edinburgh for a number of them, and I would guess at it being pronounced Mc LAYven. Sydney isn't a really common Scots name though.....
I tried looking for Sydney (with varients) in Camberwell and viewing any names that could have been mistranscriptions, but I couldn't find him then either. I hate to give up, but can't think what else to do.
Will keep trying though...
Good luck, Rian.
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Re: Mystery of Great Grandfather Mc Laven
« Reply #49 on: Sunday 28 January 07 23:46 GMT (UK) »
"McLaven detectives"!   ;D

LOL, Rian!

I've spent the day trying to figure out how a family member's gedcom which also contained my data wound up in a third party's private family tree on Ancestry.  I've cracked the case and hopefully can turn a clear eye towards the mysterious Mr. McLaven soon.

I haven't given up, either, but he's a slippery one, that's for sure!  If only we could find him in one measly census year (I'm shaking my fist at the heavens as I write this)!

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Re: Mystery of Great Grandfather Mc Laven
« Reply #50 on: Sunday 28 January 07 23:49 GMT (UK) »
Hi Fellow McLaven Detectives. ;D

Josephine, thank you  ::) I havent always done that so I will now.

Rian,and everyone else  thank you for keep trying i too have tried so many varients too and never got anywhere close. The only ever Sydney that is close is the Sydney LAVEN on the 1881 census. Right area, Right Date of Birth & would tie in with family rumour of the MC being added. And yet I can not find him anywhere else and a Marylebone Birth does not exist.

Ill be honest  I am very close to giving up as I have exausted all avenues and carry on with other lines..but Im haunted by the medical notes and I can not stand being beaten !!!

Ragna :D
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Dyer - St Pancras
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Stanton - Oxon
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Re: Mystery of Great Grandfather Mc Laven
« Reply #51 on: Sunday 28 January 07 23:58 GMT (UK) »
Detective Ragna,

Would you please tell us about that rumour?  Who passed it on and what was said?

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Re: Mystery of Great Grandfather Mc Laven
« Reply #52 on: Monday 29 January 07 00:08 GMT (UK) »
Well Detective Josephine  ;D

The Family rumour was that we were Jewish as LAVEN is a Jewish name and because of the Anti semitisum in the 1800's they added a Mc. How true this is though ?

I did leave a message on a Genelogy site that had a Jewish board but they never got back to me..

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Re: Mystery of Great Grandfather Mc Laven
« Reply #53 on: Monday 29 January 07 00:50 GMT (UK) »
Ragna,

You can never tell with names.  My Jewish ancestor's surname was Barnett, which I had assumed was an "English" name.

Now, I can't find any data on my g-g-grandmother, Sarah Pope, who was born about 1845 in Whitechapel (according to two censuses taken after her marriage).  I sent away for the matching birth record but tracked the family in the census and that Sarah Pope (the only one born 1845 in Whitechapel) died before the 1851 census.  Bah.  On her marriage record, she said her father's name was Robert, but I've tracked the Robert Popes who had daughters named Sarah (born in Middlesex), even those Sarahs whose ages were way out, and they aren't the right families.

I'm pretty sure I have her with my g-g-grandfather in 1871 and I definitely have them in 1881.  Nothing before & nothing after.  My g-g-grandfather died in 1883 in the Bethnal Green workhouse hospital, so who knows if Sarah died or remarried or went into the poor house or what.  There are too many Sarah Georges to tell.  I can't track her son (my g-grandfather) in 1891 or 1901.  Was he in the poor house or a charity school and listed by his initials?  Maybe so.  I've exhausted all possibilities that are available online at the moment.  I'll never give up, though.   :)

There was another guy with the same name as my g-grandfather, born the same year, living in the same city.  Can you believe it?  Luckily, my aunt had his birth and marriage records, so we know which one isn't him, even though we can't find him, LOL.

Our less-well-off or poor ancestors are much harder to track, especially if they moved around, or couldn't make up what year they were born or where they were born.

Anyway, my point when I started (several paragraphs ago) was that now I'm wondering about Sarah Pope's origins, although you'd think Pope would be anything but a Jewish name!   :D

I recently talked to someone with the same surname as my mother's maiden name.  His given name is Irish.  Turns out his mother is Irish and his father is Greek; the family name was shortened and Anglicized at some point.

Oh, well, we Rootschatters always love a good challenge!

Regards,
Josephine
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