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Re: Jewish Marriage: Abraham & Hannah Braham?
« Reply #9 on: Monday 22 January 07 18:50 GMT (UK) »


1841

HO107 Dist 14 Page 7 Line 9

I can't find 51 or 61 ......... probably mistranscribed !! .... will post if I find them !!  :) :)

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Re: Jewish Marriage: Abraham & Hannah Braham?
« Reply #10 on: Monday 22 January 07 18:55 GMT (UK) »
Thank you everyone who has answered this. Thank you patrish - I will look into that tomorrow.

Unfortunately it just says that Hannah and Abraham were born in Middlesex, England in 1861 and bizarrely both say that they weren't born in Middlesex in 1841.  ::)

I don't know where to find the reference for 1861 :-[ - It's in Lambeth, Waterloo Road Second: John (70) and Hannah Braham (64) with their son Benjamin Braham (32) and a Thomas Jones (27). Sorry.
Romany/Traveller:
BLACKMAN, BUCKLAND, BURGESS, DIX, DOBSON, FOLEY, GRANT/PARKER, HUNT, JONES, MUNDAY/MONDAY, MORGAN, NOYELL, ORCHARD, PAGE, REED, VINCENT

Jewish:
BRAHAM, FROST, LYONS

French:
HONEYSETT, LEVETT PETTIT

English:
BELSHAW, BETTSWORTH, CANE, COVENTRY, DOBSON, FRY,  NURSE, POOK, PUTLAND, PUTT, SMITH, SNELGROVE, TEE, TUDGAY, VENUS/VENESS

Irish:
ANDERSON, KILLOUGH, MACCORMACK, MACROBERTS, MORTON, MOORE, WALLACE

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Re: Jewish Marriage: Abraham & Hannah Braham?
« Reply #11 on: Monday 22 January 07 19:11 GMT (UK) »
I found Benjamin in 1851 !!

1851

31 Francis Place St George Southwark

Benjamin Braham 28 Head Middlesex Engraver
Mary Ann Braham   20 wife
William Braham   18 relative
Edwin Braham   16 relative
William Barham   3 Mo son
Emma Corvin   16 servant
George Long   23 relative

HO107/1564 Folio 380 Page 14

Dates are a little off but don't forget the 5 year rule in 1841 !!  ::)
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Re: Jewish Marriage: Abraham & Hannah Braham?
« Reply #12 on: Monday 22 January 07 19:31 GMT (UK) »


I'm getting a little confused with your dates I think ...........  ???

Where did you get the birthdates for Abraham and Hannah and the children you listed Roma ? did you have them before you looked for census ? it's possible also they may have come here from another country .... have you checked into that angle at all ?

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Re: Jewish Marriage: Abraham & Hannah Braham?
« Reply #13 on: Monday 22 January 07 19:40 GMT (UK) »
Sorry about the dates - that's definitely my fault. They dates may have been got from the 1841 Census so may be very off, it may also be my appalling maths skills. ;D Hannah was almost certainly born in 1796 though as I have found her grave stone and it says she dies age 70 in 1866.

They may well have come over from another country. They were Sephardic Jews - I know that.

That is defintely the right Benjamin and that Edwin and William are his brothers. :D Thank you very much for that.
Romany/Traveller:
BLACKMAN, BUCKLAND, BURGESS, DIX, DOBSON, FOLEY, GRANT/PARKER, HUNT, JONES, MUNDAY/MONDAY, MORGAN, NOYELL, ORCHARD, PAGE, REED, VINCENT

Jewish:
BRAHAM, FROST, LYONS

French:
HONEYSETT, LEVETT PETTIT

English:
BELSHAW, BETTSWORTH, CANE, COVENTRY, DOBSON, FRY,  NURSE, POOK, PUTLAND, PUTT, SMITH, SNELGROVE, TEE, TUDGAY, VENUS/VENESS

Irish:
ANDERSON, KILLOUGH, MACCORMACK, MACROBERTS, MORTON, MOORE, WALLACE

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Re: Jewish Marriage: Abraham & Hannah Braham?
« Reply #14 on: Monday 22 January 07 19:59 GMT (UK) »


Where was Hannah buried ? In London ? does it say anything on the gravestone that may give you a clue ??  :-\

Here's a few more sites to give you some ideas !!

http://www.movinghere.org.uk 

it has some good information about Jewish records and general migration history

http://www.movinghere.org.uk/galleries/histories/jewish/journeys/journeys.htm

and also

http://www.movinghere.org.uk/galleries/roots/jewish/jewish.htm

International Sephardic Leadership Council

http://isfsp.org/

Annie  :)
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Re: Jewish Marriage: Abraham & Hannah Braham?
« Reply #15 on: Monday 22 January 07 20:14 GMT (UK) »
It was Maiden Lane Synagogue Burial Ground (Bancroft Rd). Not sure where that is though.

Thank you for those links Annie. :)
Romany/Traveller:
BLACKMAN, BUCKLAND, BURGESS, DIX, DOBSON, FOLEY, GRANT/PARKER, HUNT, JONES, MUNDAY/MONDAY, MORGAN, NOYELL, ORCHARD, PAGE, REED, VINCENT

Jewish:
BRAHAM, FROST, LYONS

French:
HONEYSETT, LEVETT PETTIT

English:
BELSHAW, BETTSWORTH, CANE, COVENTRY, DOBSON, FRY,  NURSE, POOK, PUTLAND, PUTT, SMITH, SNELGROVE, TEE, TUDGAY, VENUS/VENESS

Irish:
ANDERSON, KILLOUGH, MACCORMACK, MACROBERTS, MORTON, MOORE, WALLACE

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Re: Jewish Marriage: Abraham & Hannah Braham?
« Reply #16 on: Monday 22 January 07 20:25 GMT (UK) »
Hi, Have found Abraham under the name John in 1851  HO107/1478/449

20 Pembroke Place Hanover Sq Westminster

John 60 Artist born Pimlico
Hannah 54       "      "
Ruth 5 Grand child born Lambeth
Fanny Davis 16 House serv. born Lambeth.

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Stevens /Godfrey /Rudgley /Claridge/ Gipson /George /Bliss
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Re: Jewish Marriage: Abraham & Hannah Braham?
« Reply #17 on: Monday 22 January 07 20:27 GMT (UK) »
Oh thanks so much for that. :) I couldn't find him.  :-[
Romany/Traveller:
BLACKMAN, BUCKLAND, BURGESS, DIX, DOBSON, FOLEY, GRANT/PARKER, HUNT, JONES, MUNDAY/MONDAY, MORGAN, NOYELL, ORCHARD, PAGE, REED, VINCENT

Jewish:
BRAHAM, FROST, LYONS

French:
HONEYSETT, LEVETT PETTIT

English:
BELSHAW, BETTSWORTH, CANE, COVENTRY, DOBSON, FRY,  NURSE, POOK, PUTLAND, PUTT, SMITH, SNELGROVE, TEE, TUDGAY, VENUS/VENESS

Irish:
ANDERSON, KILLOUGH, MACCORMACK, MACROBERTS, MORTON, MOORE, WALLACE