Which of your ancestors have disappeared?

[Tephra]

 - not just the state of the buildings but the overcrowding, the odiferous drains, the never ending damp inside and outside, the fetid air from coal fires, the constant pregnancies etc. etc.   Most of these people were malnourished and had resulting lower IQs and or foetal alcohol syndrome. 

I'm truly not trying to sound facetious, but doesn't it sound like some of the really bad housing estates you read about in the papers today!!!   So not much has changed really     


Barbara                 

[hiraeth]

Now that IS a sobering thought 

I guess the difference today would be, that there would be hope for escaping those conditions, if you really wanted to??  If there isn't - b***dy well should be.    Is it that bad on the "really bad housing estates" in the UK??       

Maybe it is - those scavengers in Devon were a wake up call for many people around the world.    Certainly many North Americans think of UK in "Miss Marple" terms - too much Masterpiece theatre

[Tephra]

I'm in Oz Hiraeth, so I only know about them from the newspapers.   But you do see them on the TV news with their gangs of hoodies.   I wouldn't like to live there it must be terrifying.


Barbara               

[patrish]

I'm sorry this is a bit off topic but those scenes of people scavenging off the Devon beach, made me feel ashamed to be British.

[hiraeth]

RC MOST WANTED LIST  (A NEW THREAD MAYBE??)

Let's summarize the names we have so far:

MarieC - Edward Martin, Eleanor Bentley (careless to lose TWO Marie!!)
hiraeth - John Carrington  THE MAN WHO NEVER DIED
oonagh - mystery Canadian
KathMc - William C. Davis,  George & Michael Hayes (THREE?) 
Romilly - Thomas Lewis Newman (maybe he was a magician as well as a comedian!)
Tephra - Ernest show yourself
jillruss - George Bishop
downside - double virgin birth West
tigtag -Sarah Rosa Naomi Osburn
drodgers34 - John Saberton
Erato - James Franklin Ware
patrish - George Ayrton
loo - John West
ozlady - James Price

Have I left anyone out??  Let's get working - surely to goodness we can find some of these phantoms somewhere 

 


 

[KathMc]

MarieC,

When was Edward born and I'll have a look around US Ancestry and see if I come up with anything.

Kath

[Lainys]

Hi Marie & everyone,

Really interesting topic 

I too have a couple of ancestors who 'disappeared'.  However, the one that bugs me the most is the death of my Great Great Grandmother Amelia BARTON  (Rootschatters have tried to help find her in the past).

This is what I have so far for her...

She lived on the Isle of Wight with her husband Barton Ernest BARTON.  I have them and their dau. Amy on the 1881.  In 1891 I have Barton Ernest with another dau. Fanny at his brother's.  His marital status indicated he was married.  In 1901 I have Barton Ernest, living in Bournemouth, his marital status indicated he was a widower.  There is no sign of Amelia in 1891 or 1901.

Amelia BARTON her last child, a dau. Alice Maude was born May 10, 1886.  Her birth was registered in October 1886 by her father.  Maybe she died in childbirth?  Alice Maude and her three sisters were all bpt on May 28, 1886.  The record indicates they were the daughters of Barton Ernest and Amelia of Freshwater.  I am assuming she was alive at this point.

Death records have been searched from January 1881 to 1918 and there is no record of her death.

The next step for me is to see if there is a record of her burial at the church where she would have last resided. 

I wonder what happened to her 

Dolly 

[MarieC]

MarieC,

When was Edward born and I'll have a look around US Ancestry and see if I come up with anything.

Kath

Thanks a million, Kath!!  Edward was born in 1806 in London (Marylebone).  He went missing after the 1851 census and his wife is not listed as a widow till 1881.  So if you could find any trace, census or death records....!  You'd hear the screams of delight all the way from Oz!!! 

hiraeth, thanks for summarizing all our disappeared (or appeared) people!  Yes, I think we should use our combined intelligences to see if we can find anyone.  I agree, I am careless to lose two (reminds me of "The Importance of Being Ernest", eh?)

Dolly, that is VERY frustrating!!  I can of course relate to it totally.  Yes, I think searching church burial records would be a good idea.  Have you looked for any of Amelia's other daughters in the 1891?  You say her husband was with one daughter at his brother's.  If you can find the other children, it might - just might - provide a clue!!  Or have you looked for deaths for them, to see if any of them died?  If one of them did die young, and you got the death cert and it was an accident, it might just be that her mum died in the same accident.  Just musing and thinking laterally!

MarieC

[KathMc]

MarieC,
 
I have had a look around Ancestry. Do you think it likely he would go out to California for the gold rush? I did find an Edward Martin in the 1860 census in Greenwood, El Dorado, California, born England and he is a miner. Let me see if I can find this person in 1870. There really isn't another likely candidate in the 1860 census.

Kath