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Re: Which of your ancestors have disappeared?
« Reply #189 on: Thursday 03 July 08 07:30 BST (UK) »
Thanks MarieC,

                      My cousin had been searching for him for ages. Oh and so was his ex misses until her death in 1940. Also the police had issued a warrant for his arrest for child desertion,they never found him. The only thing is we have no idea were abouts he curled up his toes.Could be anywhere and under what name is he buried , we have no idea. Here is John Thomas Jones` gaol photo and the details of his criminal activities. Plus it has all his lies on the left hand side.

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JOHN- Pembrokeshire Wales.  FREEMAN -England?
MEDLICOT -Monmouthshire Wales.
ISAAC -Gloucestershire and Liverpool.[Toxteth Park] SNOW- England .Convict. FRAZER- England.Convict.
DEAL -Ireland .Convict.
KEMP -Saint Mary Cray Kent.Eynsford Wilmington England.Convict.
BLACKBERRY -Whitechapel .Convict. CONDON -alias
DUFFY-Brighton England. Convict.
BANTICK -Ixworth Sussex England. Convict.
JONES England????[George]Convict.
ROSE-England. Convict.
All came to Tas

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Re: Which of your ancestors have disappeared?
« Reply #190 on: Thursday 03 July 08 08:30 BST (UK) »
Hi all

My great grandmother had the opposite problem - I bet she wished my great grandfather would have disappeared then perhaps she wouldn't have had 22 kids!!!!! ::) ::)

Sharmar ;D ;D

Seriously, the above great grandmother is a mystery - sent for her marriage certificate - no father! sent for her birth certificate just incase - no father! then I found she had 2 sisters sent for theirs guess what - no father!!! So I checked census' - no lodger, no eligable males living close by. Her mother did marry much later but he was a widower. So did her mother fall for a married man and later married him when his wife had died or did she fall for the same lie three times!! (assuming they all had the same father) or was she a lady of the night!!!! (occupation on the census' is a pit bank woman)
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Re: Which of your ancestors have disappeared?
« Reply #191 on: Thursday 03 July 08 11:12 BST (UK) »
That's most interesting, Johngirl!  You've got a real rogue there, giving colour to the family tree!  Yes, very hard to know where a name changer is buried...

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Re: Which of your ancestors have disappeared?
« Reply #192 on: Friday 04 July 08 08:50 BST (UK) »



He didn't change his name to Ernest along the way did he Johngirl??

Just kidding.....     ;D ;D

Quite the 'Jack the lad' there     ;) ;)

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Re: Which of your ancestors have disappeared?
« Reply #193 on: Saturday 07 February 09 00:20 GMT (UK) »
My gt gt grandfather, Nicholas Svombo, was Greek. His wife, Ellen, was Irish. They married in Ireland & settled in Cardiff.

In 1876, Nicholas died. That same year, one of his sons also died. There were a number of children, including Anne Cleopatra, who was about 3 years old. For some reason, while my gt grandfather was away at sea ~ a cabin boy of 13 or 14 ~ this little girl was 'sent back to Greece'. Presumably her mother ~ an Irish lady called Ellen ~ couldn't cope. My grandfather returned with a doll for his baby sister and was appalled to find that she had gone. He lived into his 80s and his constant wish was that he might see his sister again. I understand that he didn't speak to his mother after this.

It's strange, though, because I can only assume that Ellen knew who had her daughter and, during WW1, some cousins, apparently, almost caught up with Cleopatra in Athens, where she looked like a 'rather grand lady' ~ so they must have known how to find & recognise her.

Then, neighbours claimed to have seen an advert in a local Glamorgan paper, presumably from Cleopatea, seeking her sister, Mary Calliope.

At some stage some people knew how to find her & contact her ~ but not my gt grandfather, it seems. It's very odd, but Cleopatra just disappeared from our family.
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Glamorgam: Hampton Thornton Svombo Swambo Swanbo Keefe O Keefe Shanahan Shannon Doyle Maldoon Muldoon Davies Llewellyn Jones
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Re: Which of your ancestors have disappeared?
« Reply #194 on: Saturday 07 February 09 00:57 GMT (UK) »
Hi all,

Follow on information of John Thomas Jones [alias John Henry Woodward].

An email sent to me by my cousin.

Well I finally got the death certificate. Don't know if it is the right one or person yet, but it has a lot in common with our John Thomas. He died at the right age 89 at Barraba NSW under the name of John Henry Woodward (his alias) occupation - carpenter (same). His parents were given as George Henry and Ann Bryrnes (George and Ann Jones nee Kemp, close).Born in Donford??? Tasmania (can't find Donford in Tassie?). Married at Inverell NSW at aged 51, again late marriage fits in with the disappearance in 1903, to a Mary Fitzpatrick, no other marriage mentioned.Two children living Mary A 37, Joseph L 35 and 1 female deceased born 1909 stillborn same year he was arrested for bigarmy. Sorry he died of heart failure 29th October, 1944, buried 30th October, at C of E Cemetery Barraba. I will have to check if a John Henry Woodward existed in Tasmania and what happened to him, but it all sounds to coincedental to me. I think I remember seeing the name Woodward in the names associated with the Kemps so maybe he had inside knowledge. Time will tell

Now me speaking again[Johngirl :)]
I have searched for a place called Donford in Tasmania. There isn`t one that I can find. ??? ???
Can`t find a John Henry Woodward born in Tasmania. ??? ???
If this is all true fancy him leaving one wife for another and having more kids :o :o

  Johngirl

Sorry Barbara I don`t think he changed his name to Ernest but you never know ;D ;D
JOHN- Pembrokeshire Wales.  FREEMAN -England?
MEDLICOT -Monmouthshire Wales.
ISAAC -Gloucestershire and Liverpool.[Toxteth Park] SNOW- England .Convict. FRAZER- England.Convict.
DEAL -Ireland .Convict.
KEMP -Saint Mary Cray Kent.Eynsford Wilmington England.Convict.
BLACKBERRY -Whitechapel .Convict. CONDON -alias
DUFFY-Brighton England. Convict.
BANTICK -Ixworth Sussex England. Convict.
JONES England????[George]Convict.
ROSE-England. Convict.
All came to Tas

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Re: Which of your ancestors have disappeared?
« Reply #195 on: Saturday 07 February 09 06:15 GMT (UK) »

Sorry Barbara I don`t think he changed his name to Ernest but you never know ;D ;D


Dammmmmmmmmit!!   :-\      But an interesting fellow nevertheless.       :)


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Re: Which of your ancestors have disappeared?
« Reply #196 on: Saturday 07 February 09 10:52 GMT (UK) »
My great, great grandfather disappears without trace between 1861 and 1871.  His name was George Redshaw and he was born in about 1809 in Leeds.

In 1861 he and his family are living in Hartwith, Dacre Banks, Yorkshire (his year of birth as been mistranscribed.) By 1871 Mary his wife had moved to Horton, Bradford, Yorkshire with their younger children.  She is recorded on the census as being married, but there is no trace of George.

In 1881 Mary is recorded as being a widow.  I traced Mary's grave, which I hoped would give me a clue as to when George had died, but Mary is buried with one of her sons and his wife, so I still do not know what happened to George.

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Re: Which of your ancestors have disappeared?
« Reply #197 on: Saturday 07 February 09 11:06 GMT (UK) »
Hi MarieC,
I can empathise with your post! ;D
I have a Great Grandfather, Thomas Louis Newman, who appears on my Grandmother's Birth Cert in 1902, - Occupation 'Comedian' ;D ;D
...& then disappears!! I haven't been able to (conclusively) find any other records for him:-(
According to my Grandmother, he had another wife & family, - but I'm unable to verify this. I've never been able to find any record of him marrying my Great Grandmother, Frances Dyer, - although she calls herself Newman on my G/Mother's Birth Cert, - & her name is given as Frances Newman on her Death Cert.
It is very frustrating!!!
Best Wishes, Romilly.

Further to this post...I have found my G/Grandfather Thomas Louis Newman on the 1911 Census, living with Frances & their children in East Greenwich, London. They say they've been married for 11 years, & so I went back to the Indexes...but haven't been able to find anything!

Another problem is that he says, (on the 1911) that he was born in Carnavon in 1869...but I can't see him there!!!

Romilly ;D
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