Graham's of Cumberland

[Razzy]

In my research I have a John GRAHAM marrying Jane JOHNSTON on January 27th, 1835.
I have no births available.

[OzzyLiz]

Hello All..  this is my first post. I am looking for anyone with these Grahams in their family:
Alexander Graham c28 May 1740 at Rockliffe. Possibly son of William Graham & Margaret.
27 Oct 1770 Kirklinton - Alexander (now of Hetherside) married Sybil Sewell of Howberry (she signed Sibella Sewell) .. witnesses Alexander Wilson, Robert Sewell.
Their children christened Kirklinton : John c.2 Dec 1771; Robert c.13 Nov 1773 (father now of Hill, a husbandman); Margaret c.25 Feb 1776; David c.2 Oct 1777; Philip c.12 Dec 1779. (Philp's family stayed in the Kirklinton area .. found in census).
Second son Robert Graham married Rachel Lamb at Kirklinton 5 Nov 1806 (witnesses Margaret Graham, Philip Graham, James Graham, Bellow Gibson, Margaret Turner, Edward Routledge).
Robert & Rachel's children all christened Kirklinton: Sibel 1807-1810; John b1 May 1809 Carlisle, father Householder of Hetherside; Sibel b.10 May 1811;Robert c .29Oct 1815; Mary b.14 Sep 1816; Sarah b.14 Mar 1826 & Thomas c.9 Aug 1835. Occupation of Robert appears to be Shoemaker.
Son John Graham b 1 May 1809 also a Shoemaker (though shown as soldier at time of marriage to Mary Stoddart 7Dec 1831) and the family lived in Carlisle (Finkle St; Rickergate and/or Botchergate). John was in the US in 1850 (Baltimore) but did not return, 1861 census shows Mary as 'widow'. Love to catch up with anyone with any of these people in their family tree.  Thanks in advance !!

[Razzy]

Unfortunately it does not seem I can help,
I have Carlisle, St. Marys transcripts from@1686-1794. GRAHAMs of both Rickergate and Botchergate are mentioned, No names you mentioned.
There is another transcript for Carlisle though, I thought I had searched that transcript but am not able to find it possibly I never ordered this other transcript.
I had came across an internet access to Kirklinton as well, but no names (Alexander) that you mentioned were on it.
Razzy

[OzzyLiz]

Thanks for the quick reply Razzy, and also for checking the records you have. I have been HUGELY assisted by William Bundred over there and he has even found the headstones for me at Kirklinton. Alexander & Sybil/Sibbella Graham seemd to have stayed in the Kirklinton area. Even though son Robert moved into Carlisle, his children were taken back to Kirklinton for christening.  So I guess I am hoping for (1) coming forward, any other descendants   or  (2) going backwards, any further info on William (b 1713??)& Margaret (b1718 ??) Graham, whose son Alexander was christened at Rockliffe 28 May 1740. Robert's son John disappeared in America in 1850. His widow and children appear to have then moved to the Liverpool area, with 2 of them later migrating to Austalia, and 1 to NZealand. Thanks again  . Liz

[Razzy]

So fascinating.
My GRAHAMs came to Ontario, Canada however, two - (John) George and also Eleanor who married in Winnipeg, Manitoba also went south. Eleanor to Australia before WW1. George I have yet to find. Family says either New Zealand or Australia.
Razzy

[OzzyLiz]

What are George Graham's details? ...  the Australian records are online now, but as I live here, you never know, there may be some clue I can pick up on as to whether he was here. Liz

[Razzy]

Wow, I did not know you were in Australia.
My family knew hinm as George but in researching he was John George GRAHAM born 1878 in Isel, Cumberland, may have been registered in Wigton,Cumberland, England; son of Thomas and Sarah nee WATSON. Georges' sister was named Eleanor Wilson GRAHAM so I am confused where the Wilson came in. Sarahs' parents were Robert and Elinor u/k from Isel, Cumberland.
The GRAHAMs moved to Ontario, Canada in 1895 with Thomas' new wife Alice Jane. I have not paid for Thomas' previous wifes' death certificate from GRO yet.
On the 1901 canadian federal census, I found Georges' sister Eleanor but I have never found George successfully. Family says both George and Elinoar both moved to Australia or New Zealand. I had help to find Eleanor in the 1901 census as a a servant and later marrying in Winnipeg in the same year to Harold Vincent SHAW. Sometime later Harold and Eleanor moved to Coonam, New South Wales, also Mildura, Victoria.
But absolutely no information on John George GRAHAM in either Australia or New Zealand. No mention in any obituary of Eleanors' and no children of Vincent and Eleanors' named after George. I am still searching for Georges' other brother Robert. Family does not know what became of Robert so far.
If you are able to be successful that would be absolutely great!
thanks,
Razzy

[OzzyLiz]

Hi Razzy, I had a bit of a look. There are a few John George Grahams here around the period. Many of the main early newspapers are digitised on our National Libraray site  http://trove.nla.gov.au/  few in there but nothing to distinguish any as your JGG. I also checked our online archives http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/using/search/  ..    there was a John George Graham signed up in WW1, but it says he was also in WW2 and I think your guy would have been a bit old then.   NZ electoral rolls has a JGG, an Engineer in 1905-1906 (with Cecilia Graham) but again, nothing to distinguish him as your guy.  Did you see a post by member jefna "Can anyone trace Robt Graham" here on rootsChat?  .. as she is a Graham descendant who lives in Australia and your fellow was mentioned in a reply. Sorry I can't help much more.  Liz

[Geoff-E]

My family knew hinm as George but in researching he was John George GRAHAM born 1878 in Isel, Cumberland, may have been registered in Wigton,Cumberland

A birth at Isel ought to have been registered in Cockermouth district, so perhaps ...

Births Jun 1878   
GRAHAM    John George         Cockermouth    10b   592