Death in WW2 bombing raid

[Carole B]

WOW - thank you so much for that information. I have been wallowing around the National Archives sections J77 and J78 for some time, and they might as well be written in Greek as far as I'm concerned.  . I did inquire about a 'search' for the divorce file but was told that it was £40 for a ten year search and the period I knew was from 1912 to 1924 so I was looking at a possible £80 fee....

But after only a few hours here you are with dates and some details of that divorce and the  middle name of Gunter's daughter - what a surprise that she was an "E.R.". I wonder if she did by any chance marry F.W. Edmed?

Thank you SO much for your help Valda, it is really appreciated - I will now order a copy of that divorce file from the NA.

[Valda]

The divorce files are being indexed by TNA and appear in their catalogue.

Regards

Valda

[loo]

At www.novascotiagenealogy.com , there is a Mary E. Stapleton born 1869 Halifax to John and Mary (MULLOY? - hard to read).  I realize the dates are out, but could be the same family.  Apparently records for that period are incomplete. 
It looks like this one married Frederick W. Edwards in 1886 in Halifax in the Church of England.  A witness was Margt. Stapleton.

[Carole B]

Thank you for looking 'loo'.
Yes these are my great grandparents. Frederick was stationed there with the Royal Irish Rifles and married Mary Ellen Stapleton  in Halifax. She was just 17 and the daughter of John and Mary Mullay.

I have a copy of the 1886 marriage certificate of Frederick and Mary's marriage in Halifax. I got it on line through the  www.novascotiagenealogy.com.

So this is the right Mary Ellen Stapleton/Edmed, but there is no trace of their deaths. They both show up in the 1901 census - with their children, but then she 'disappears' (?), but Frederick is shown as 'living' and a pensioner at his daughter Muriel Edith's wedding to Charles Newcombe on Christmas day 1911 in Wandsworth; and that's the last trace I can find of Frederick...

[jorose]

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=2974218
http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=2326113
- this appears to be a mention of Frederick William's second wife E. R. as Emily Rose - they had a son Frederick Richard who was b. about 1923, and another Richard Victor b. abt 1924, both of whom died in WWII.

[Carole B]

Oh my - this is incredible jorose...  Yet another piece of the jigsaw  falls into place - allbeit a very sad one. Two uncles I never new I had and sadly was never able to know.

Thank you so much for taking the time to look for and find this. I can now go on the hunt for the elusive marriage between Frederick and Emily Rose.

[time_detective]

Hi there,

Fascinating information.  One of your replies quotes:
This might be the most likely marriage for Clara's parents.

Marriages Jun 1847 
Sweetlove  Simmons John     Bermondsey  4 15 
either
MACE  Jane     Bermondsey  4 15   
or
Paxton  Emma     Bermondsey  4 15 
or
Rossiter  Leonora     Bermondsey  4 15   
or
Taylor  Mary Ann     Bermondsey  4 15

but Clara's marriage details would be necessary to confirm or eliminate this possibility.

Regards

Valda


I am particularly interested in the 'Jane Mace' from Bermondsey.  Have you found out anything about her family and whether she features on your ancestry? My grandmother's brother in law was Sidney John Mace, born in Bermondsey in or around 1886.  Wondered if there might be a connection.

Can you let me know if you have any information on your Jane?

Thanks
'Time'

[Allesandra]

Hello Carole
I have Clara Ellen J. Edmed born June Qtr. 1878 daughter of Wm James Edmed marr Clara Jane Sweetlove.
Clara Jane Sweetlove b. 9 Sep 1850 in Ostend, Belgium, d. 24 Jun 1911 in Charing, Kent,   is the daughter of Simmons John/Simmonds Joannes Sweetlove b. 1825 Ashford, Kent, marr to Jane Mace.   Simmons died in 1859 in a fire together with his own father Thomas in the family Butcher's shop in Ostend, after this Jane brought her four children back to Kent, I have a copy of her Death Certificate in 1861 in Deptford and the Informant was a Sarah Mace presumably a sister or mother.
It was Thomas Sweetlove who emigrated to Ostend  during 1830-40 and created the Belgian dynasty
Clara's 2 x GG is William Sweetlove marr to Anna Payne,  her 3 GG is Thomas Sweetlove of Ashford, Kent.
Clara is on the Belgian branch of my Sweetlove tree, and her 3 x GG Thomas is also my 5 x GG.
Yes,  there are many Simmonds/Simmons Sweetlove's in my tree,  those in Greenwich are mine also,  in fact my own 3 x GG is a Simmon/ds Sweetlove.
Regards,
Allesandra

[nuccia]

I just wanted to thank everyone who contributed to this thread. I was helping Carole with her research and suggested this site.  She promptly signed up and began this thread which really sparked her interest.

Sadly, Carole passed away mid August suddenly and unexpectedly.  She will be sadly missed by those of us who knew and loved her.

I will be continuing her research in her memory and with her family's permission so if there is anyone who is still interested in helping I would appreciate it -

Thanks and have a great day.