Death in WW2 bombing raid

[Kevwood]

Hi Carole,

I think the main points are these, which may lead to you being able to find something out about "Nina"

Carole,

This maybe something??

1901 census: Sandgate, Folkstone

There is an Arthur Offley (servant) with a Clara EDMED (servant) both working for Herbert Simons(grocer). He was born Willenhall, Stafford and she was born Charing, Kent. Both born in 1877

RG13 848 folio 90 page 10.

Kev.

Then:

Births Jun 1878 
Edmed  Clara Ellen J   W. Ashford  2a 713
(initial F on FreeBMD but checked on GRO index and it is J)

West Ashford registration district covers Charing
Which makes this entry just a bit interesting - no other Clara Ellen Js.

Marriages Mar 1898   
Edmed  Clara Ellen J     Greenwich  1d 1134   
either
FOX  Arthur     Greenwich  1d 1134   
or
Screve  Leonard Thomas S     Greenwich  1d 1134

No other Clara birth registrations in Kent.

Regards

Valda

And the fact that Clara gives her status as single and is using her maiden name in 1901, which hits at something being amiss.

These hopefully answer some of the questions about when and where she was born, who she married(first anyway).

It may not be her, but it looks really promising.

Kev.

[loo]

Carole, what is happening here is that people are going further back in history in order to find good clues to help you answer the more modern questions that you are asking, since, as you know, the answers are not readily evident.  This is the way genealogy sometimes needs to be done.
Just to (hopefully) throw some perspective on it, I have a rellie who had an "illegitimate" son at the age of 25 while unmarried.  She kept the child, but his birth certificate information is, shall we say, "creative", in other words it is not accurate.  I would have looked in vain for her death if someone had not tipped me off to the fact that she had married much later.  She both married and died under a different combination of forenames than the ones she was born with, and each was different from the other.  And her surname at death was her married name.  She lived to be almost 100, so it turned out that there were a lot of years to cover!

[janan]

Sorry. It's just that I NEVER expected such a huge and detailed response. If I'm honest - I really didn't expect to get anywhere at all with so little information. Just shows doesn't it!

I just don't know where to go from here.....

Carole

You have unleashed the combined forces of the Rootschat detectives  

As loo says you often need to go backwards to make sense of what happened later. With one of my illegitmate ancestors I had to do a lot of tracking over the censuses and births and marriages in order to connect the putative father from East Horsley Surrey with the mother in Lilley Herts - it was very exciting when it all came together. So hang on in there - hopefully it will all make sense when you have had time to ponder all the information. Kev gives a good summary of the main points.
Happy hunting
Jan

[Valda]

And of course you can still contact the one name researcher for Edmed as he is likely to hold all the civil registration entries for the surname and can tell you if he has any death registrations for a Clara E J Edmed and or a Nina Edmed which if her death was registered in that surname would be quicker than searching the civil registration index.

Regards

Valda

[Lesanne]

            Such an interesting thread.
      I do hope you can unravel all the info and find your family.

      All I can add is the Mulberry Tree was at Anne Hathaway's House,
      but it blew down in a storm. I looked for that tree in 1999 and found
      a replacement had been planted, in the same place in the garden.

      Best of luck.    Lesanne.

      http://www.stratford.co.uk/prop3.asp

[Carole B]

In light of the huge amount of assistance and information you have all provided here, I think it only fair that I let you know ''what's what' by providing a 'temporary' update.

With any luck we (you ) have found some details of Nina Edmed. But dear oh dear - what a tangled web she wove.... Birth's registered twice - in slightly different names. Possible flight to the USA while letting people think she had died in the war. Possibly born in Egypt (which I previously had discounted.....) Oh the list of possibilities that we are near to finding out who she was are numerous.

One thing seems to be clear though - the thought of 'millions in cash' lying in a bank vault with my name on it , has now moved to be 'millions, yes...but in possible family members when I thought there was just ME - far more rewarding than €£$ - what do you reckon?

I will try and put together a more comprehensive resumè of 'where we're at' and post it for you soon.

In the meantime - thank you all for your help (even if you have almost scared me to death with the volume of it  ). It is greatly appreciated!

[janan]

Hi Carole
Glad to hear you are making some progress with your Nina - look forward to seeing the details.
Yes agree finding possible family members is very exciting

Jan

[Carole B]

Since my last 'update' in January things have moved on slowly but surely (well almost...).

I finally found the proof that the Muriel Edith Edmed born in Cairo, Egypt in 1891 was in fact 'my lost Nina'. That she married a Charles Newcombe on 25.12.1911 in Wandsworth, London.  18 months later had an illegitimate child (my mother), then registered her birth TWICE. Then in 1924 she married a Richard Henry Gunter in Islington and she was shown as divorced from Newcombe.

 Then - who knows... as next I - finally - discover her death record and that long awaited Death Certificate has now finally arrived. I now know that she died on 18th March 1949 in her home (now) in Chiswick, following a brain hemorrhage. But interestingly her death was reported by her 'sister-in-law' - one E.R.Edmed. Now this was yet another twist in the tail and made me notice another 'missed' snippet of information....let me explain.

Nina had two brothers:
No1. Frederick William - born Alessandria Egypt 1889.
Married Katie Savill 1913.

No2. Claude Victor Edmed - born Malta 1895.
Married Lily M.A. Tyson 1922.

Claude was a witness at Nina's first marriage to Charles Newcombe.

F.W. Edmed (Frederick William?) and E.R.Edmed were both witnesses at Nina's second marriage to Richard Henry Gunter in 1924.

So the question arises - What happened to Fredericks FIRST wife Katie.... she is one of a large farming family from Saffron Walden and shows on the 1891 Census. I can find NO trace of her death.
BUT
On that 1891 Census Katie is shown to have a younger sister Emily Ruth...could this girl have become Frederick’s second wife E.R.Edmed?

AND another thought....
Richard Henry (or as he is often shown - Henry Gunter) had one daughter from his first marriage - she was born in 1900 and named Emily! I wonder what her middle name was (if she had one)?

So far I have not found any trace of the deaths of ANY of the Edmed family whatsoever - apart from that of Muriel Edith (Nina) in 1949 and my own mother!

So I am searching for ANY of the following deaths (or other marriages) - if anyone has any ideas or can help...

1. Frederick William Edmed (1st) b.1863
2. Mary Ellen Edmed (nee Stapleton) b.1886 Halifax Nova Scotia
3. Frederick William Edmed (2nd) b. 1889 Alessandria Egypt.
4. Katie Edmed (nee Savill) b. about 1882 Saffron Walden.
5. Charles Newcombe b. about 1887 Camberwell London
6. Claude Victor Edmed b. 1895 Malta
7. Lily M...A. Tyson b. (Claude’s wife)
8. Richard Henry (or Henry Richard) Gunter b. about 1877 Wiltshire
9. Emily Gunter (Richard’s daughter) b. about 1900 – Islington London


I find it incredible that there seem to be no easily found records of these people’s deaths. Their marriages – yes. One or two births too. But their deaths are another matter entirely!

It's driving me up the wall.....
 

For the ongoing story see my 'Naughty Nina Saga' at:
 
http://www.caroleinitaly.com/thenaughtyninasaga.htm

Open and scroll down for episodes One and Two....

[Valda]

Have you accessed the divorce file at The National Archives

J 77/1906/9616  Divorce Court File: 9616. Appellant: Charles Newcombe. Respondent: Muriel Edith Newcombe. Co-respondent: Richard Gunter. Type: Husband's petition for divorce [hd]. 1922

The case file should give further details of her life.

Emily's middle name appears to be Rose

Births Mar 1900   
Gunter  Emily Rose E     Islington  1b 423

Regards

Valda