Is this one impossible?

[geordiegal]

Hi again everyone.
I know i've just had help with one branch of my family, and i feel a bit cheeky, but can i  ask you to help again?
This is my dads side of the family, mt great, great, granddad. His name was John Joseph Farrar, and he was born about 1841. i have him in all the census up till 1891 (he died in 1893), and according to all the census, he was born in Tanfield, Durham, but i can't find him anywhere.
According to his marriage certificate, his father was James farrar, but this is all i know, and as i can't find a birth for him, i can't order a certificate to find out who his mother was!! I need to know more about this man. SOMEBODY PLEASE HELP!!!!!
Thing is, i'm finding his wife difficult to trace aswell, maybe more so than John, as her father isn't named on the marriage certificate, but his occupation is recorded as collier. Her name was Mary Frost, and i've found two of them in Tanfield durham, but don't know how i can be sure which is mine. She was born about 1845 and her and John married at st. Margarets, Tanfield, on the 13 Sep 1863.
I know its a big ask, but i'd love a bit of help... Thanks people. Love to you all!!

[julianb]

Hi again geordiegal

You say you've found James Farrar in all the census's - does this include 1841 and/or 1851?  Who is he living with at the time of these census's?

JULIAN

[geordiegal]

hello again Julian. No its not James i've got in the census.. its his son John and when i've looked again, its not him either!!! i've only got him in 1881 and 1891, but hes living with his wife and children. Don't suppose that helps, does it?

[wrjones]

I cam give better news on Mary Frost,although the 1861 Census gives three possibilities,I noted that she had no middle name in later Census years,and the 1861 Census shows a Mary Frost born in c 1846,the daughter of a Robert Frost given as a Widower born in Tanfield in c 1815.

Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.

[geordiegal]

Thanks Russell. Do you think this is my Mary then?
If you don't mind, can i ask how you arrived at that? I'm just asking cos i'm pretty new at this, i guess, if i ask more experianced researchers i might learn something. Thanks again.

[julianb]

Found them on the 1871 census - but shown as B st Helens Lancs, and transcribed as Farron!

John Joseph Farrar Head Married 30 Coal Miner B St Helens Lancs
Mary Farrar wife 25 B Tanfield, Durham
James Farrar Son 8 B Tanfield Durham
Sarah Farar Daughter 6 B Tanfield Durham
william Edward Farrar 4 ditto
Dorothy Farra Daughter 2  ditto

living with them are:

Thomas Davenport Stepfather Widowed 48 Coke Drawer B St Helens Lancs
John Davenport (Son of) Unmarried14 Pony Dresser (?) in pit B Tanfield Durham

RG10/4955, 86/7

Off to have my supper, will be back later to see any progress!

JULIAN

[geordiegal]

And thankyou Julian, i guess i've been looking in the wrong place for Johns birth then eh? Enjoy your tea...

[julianb]

And thankyou Julian, i guess i've been looking in the wrong place for Johns birth then eh? Enjoy your tea...

No, not necessarily.  Clerical errors occurred back in the 1860s too.  Let's see where we get to next.  The Davenport bit is interesting - wonder if he was his or hers  stepfather (bearing in mind the terminology wasn't necessarily exact in those days).

(and yes I enjoyed my nosh - a couple oven-baked potatoes with loads of cheese!)

JULIAN

[welsh lady]

Looks like hes her Stepfather found this marriage
Thomas Davenport to Dorothy Frost in Qtr June 1855 in
Gateshead.

Best Wishes Welsh Lady