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Re: ryalls/hurn/ Davis
« Reply #9 on: Friday 02 March 07 23:04 GMT (UK) »
I did a fair bit of tracing on the Heron line cos my romanies were Grays and Smiths of Lincs and they did a lot of intermarrying with the Herons etc. So I have a fair bit on this family....

According to the Heron Pedigree
Edward (Snr) Heron was the son of Richard Heron and Devit "Bonny" which I cant prove.
He was reputedly born about 1795 in Cambridgeshire, which fits, but it does remain unproven. His reputed siblings were:

Solivaino (married Wesson Heron)
Robert "The Lame Man" (unmarried)
Lusha (married Sarah Boss daughter of Leshi and Seni) who was transported.
Sarah (married John Buckland)
Reynolds (married Martha "Peggy" Boss"
Sophia (married Seki Boswell)
William "The Handsome Man" (married 1)Mary and 2)Polovene)
Edward "Naibai" Heron (married 1) Siberensi "Greenleaf" or "Kidney" Buckland 2) Sinfai Buckland 3)Rachel Lee)
and Rachel "Sibereti" "Fat Girl" (Married John/Jack Baker or Brown)
Using the IGI (www.familysearch.org) and Ancestry.coms census info, Ive managed to find children of Reynolds and Martha "Peggy" Boss and the family of Rachel and John/Jack Baker or Brown that fit this timeframe.

Moving on to Edwards family:

Reputedly of Edward and Siberensi Buckland:
Manful (Married Stari Boss)
Edmund (married 1)Christiana Smith married 2)Jemima Smith married 3) Anis Smith)
Humphrey
Proven of Edward and Siberensi:
Eldenham Heron c.1813 Easton Warwickshire.

Reputedly of Edward and Sinfai Buckland:
Reynolds c.1819 Moulton Lincs
Joshu
Tudlin
Gui
Isaac c.1824 Sutterton Lincs (married Sinfai Gray d/o Oseri) d.1911 Sutton on Trent and reputedly buried Crossgates, Leeds, Yorks.

It has only JUST occurred to me that Eldenham Heron bapt 1813 EASTON Warwicks is probably actually the younger Edward....!!!

onto that younger Edward.....

according to the census born cir 1816-21 EASTON ....
married 1) Christiana Smith
married 2) Jemima Smith 23.11.1846 Thurning Nthants
married 2) Anis Smith

They had:
Sage or Sagey c.16.04.1836 Boughton Nthants (wrongly on IGI as "Loye"
married Righteous Gray in 1854. Lived at Kingsthorpe Nthants.

Amelia b.cir 1845 Haddington Nthants married Elias Gray b.cir 1844 Abbots Rippon Hunts

Tilda (Matilda) b.cir 1846 Nthants married Sam Heron (bcir 1840 Wyndham Nfk, son of Naibai and Rachel)

Caleb b.cir1848 Leighton Hunts married Dona Lee (Madona)
moved to Wales.

Manville b.cir1859 bapt xmas day 1866 West Brom married (unknown) moved to Wales

Triante b.cir 1855 Peterborough Nthants married John Ryles
Lurena b.cir 1856 Nthants bapt xmas day 1866 West Brom married Walter Ryles

Zepreta or Zipporeth

Urania

and finally, Stephen b.cir 1859 Ely Cam, married Ruth, the reputed son of Edward and this 3rd wife Anis.

Sagey and Righteous Gray had:
Alfred (1855) Samuel (1858) Nathan (1859) Edward (1862) and Emily (1866) all at Kingsthorpe.

Amelia and Elias Gray had:
Abigail b.cir 1867 Kingthorpe married Iza Heron s/o Isaac (in turn s/o Naibai)

Mary b.1869 Halesowen married Alfred Smith
Mizelli b.cir1871 Walsall Stf
"Poley" sunpoleon/sapolins b. circa 1876 Bloxwich STF
Matilda b.cir 1878 Walsall STF married Tom Winter.

Mary and Alfred Smith had:
Abigail 1896 Erdington Warwicks, Azella 1897 Bentley Stf
Coralie cir 1900 Stirchley Warwicks, Horace 1893 Radcliffe Lan, and Roland cir 1889 Hay Mills, Warwicks.


Caleb and Dona Lee had:
Janus, Reynolds, Caleb, Downi, and Aylwin (reputedly)
Evergreen, probably really Greenwed bcir 1890
Ethelenda b.cir1896 Hemel Hempstead district (gro index)
and Edmund abt 1894 Cardiff Wales.

Manfield/Manville/Manful is known to have had:
Caleb 1884 Swansea Wales
and Elvira 1885 Swansea Wales

Zepreta b.circa 1851 Ringstead Nthants married Alice Smith nd had Madona 1856 Nthants and William b.1860 Ely Cam.

Urania b.cir 1855 Market Deeping Lincs (no other info)

hope all that makes sense.. yours Ann.








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Re: ryalls/hurn/ Davis
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 14 March 07 10:28 GMT (UK) »
Hi Ann
           thanks for all that,  havnt been on line for a bit and what a great supprize when i did . will take me a while  so sort all this out in my mind.
        the census for  John Ryalls and Triente is RG13/2469 folio 26 page 8 tewkesbury (shes down as Yrfinia Ryals) and RG12/2041 folio 104 page 21   cheltenham (shes down as Sciante Riles ) with children on next page over
              Louise
         
travellers: Penfold, Holland, Orchard, Loveridge, saunders, James, Davis<br />Somerset/devon: Hawkins, Lane, Perryman, Saffin, Bowden, Warren<br />Yorkshire/Lincolnshire: Webster, Gleadell, Gott, Patrick, Milnes, Beverley

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Re: ryalls/hurn/ Davis
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 14 March 07 18:08 GMT (UK) »
Hi

I have only just registered to this site, so am not sure what it can do yet.

In reference to the Gray family, my partners grandmother was Ada Ann Gray, she was a gypsy princess, she was born in 1898 in the Manchester area, to William and her mother was also called Ada Ann.  When she got married in 1928 her present address is stated as a fairground caravan in Audenshaw in Manchester.  It is said that her father was a caravan maker at some time.  Could they be related to your Gray family do you think?

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Re: ryalls/hurn/ Davis
« Reply #12 on: Friday 16 March 07 18:14 GMT (UK) »
Hi Matilda/Louisa - glad you enjoyed it. I had a lot of fun unravelling the folklore behind the Heron Pedigree, and its given me pleasure to share it with you.


Hi H Kay  - I think the majority of the Gray travelling families are related - Although  finding all those links is really a labour of love. I am afraid I dont know of your Ada Ann - I tried looking for her on the 1901 census but didnt come up with anything. I did find an Ada Ann daughter of William Gray and Ada Ann Boswell in Ancestry.coms family tree search.... but she was born 1910.



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Re: ryalls/hurn/ Davis
« Reply #13 on: Monday 19 March 07 11:39 GMT (UK) »
Ann
         your a star,  my husband having all 4 grandparents coming from Romany back ground make finding them a real challange, although one i do enjoy, only wish i could find something on my Loveridges as they are my last real brick wall (thinking now maybe they beamed down  from mars)
           thanks agian for your help
                      take care
                           Louise
travellers: Penfold, Holland, Orchard, Loveridge, saunders, James, Davis<br />Somerset/devon: Hawkins, Lane, Perryman, Saffin, Bowden, Warren<br />Yorkshire/Lincolnshire: Webster, Gleadell, Gott, Patrick, Milnes, Beverley

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Re: ryalls/hurn/ Davis
« Reply #14 on: Monday 19 March 07 16:08 GMT (UK) »
a lot of the Loveridges can be traced back to Towcester Nthants. I saw a site on it not long ago...

try here:

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~towcesterfamilies/

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Re: ryalls/hurn/ Davis
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 20 March 07 08:26 GMT (UK) »
thanks Ann
                 will have a look
                               Louise
travellers: Penfold, Holland, Orchard, Loveridge, saunders, James, Davis<br />Somerset/devon: Hawkins, Lane, Perryman, Saffin, Bowden, Warren<br />Yorkshire/Lincolnshire: Webster, Gleadell, Gott, Patrick, Milnes, Beverley

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« Reply #16 on: Monday 16 April 07 10:00 BST (UK) »
Ann
           just had another look at your web site, youve updated it alot since i last looked, you have done a great job on it, thanks loads for taking the time your a star
             Louise
travellers: Penfold, Holland, Orchard, Loveridge, saunders, James, Davis<br />Somerset/devon: Hawkins, Lane, Perryman, Saffin, Bowden, Warren<br />Yorkshire/Lincolnshire: Webster, Gleadell, Gott, Patrick, Milnes, Beverley

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Re: ryalls/hurn/ Davis
« Reply #17 on: Monday 16 April 07 15:29 BST (UK) »
thanks - its nice to know that its useful !

Yeah I took advantage of the holiday to do a bit of work on it :)