ryalls/hurn/ Davis

[An65]

Ive lately read that the Ryals/Ryles surname was a steal from the forename Ryal/Royal used by some of the Southern Heron/Hearn/Hern family. So a name change from Ryles back to Heron/Hearn would only mean a change back to the accurate surname.

[matilda1973]

thanks Ann
                      do you me mind me asking where you read it to,
  still looking for them, i know there hiding some where
               
                                     Louise

[An65]

It was amongst some notes on the Hearn/Heron family sent to me a very long time ago by the now president of the Romany and Traveller FHS, Bob Dawson. I was re-reading some of these notes recently and saw it.

Its certainly not the only case I know of either. Ambrose Smith (the Jasper Petulengro in George Borrows books) changed his surname to Reynolds, which was his wifes fathers first name. (Sanspirella Heron d/o Reynolds).

Ive even seen Sansray Reynolds in Scotland in the 1881 census.

Hope that helps anyway.

If I come across anything else useful I will of course add it here.

[matilda1973]

ok Ann
            thanks for looking  one i,ll find them hiding in the most obviouis place roll on 1911 census hopefully more clues there Louise

[An65]

few years to go yet, but oh wont it be great when it does arrive

good luck with the hunting in the meantime

[matilda1973]

thanks  looks like i,ll need it.
          im glad there starting it early, jan 2009 isnt it only just over a year away
                           Louise

[matilda1973]

just to update
 have found them on the 1911 census as follows ;

at elmstone , hardwick in tent and caravans,
        Nipton ryles head 27 single horse dealer born gloucestershire
     caleb ryles brother 25 married farm lab born gloucestershire
      Lily ryles sister 17 single born gloucestershire
next door
  Aldophus ryles head 29 married ag lab born herefordshire
  Britannia ryles wife 29 licened hawker born somersetshire
   Lily May Ryles daughter 6 months born elmstone harwick gloucestershire
 next door
    John Ryles head 54 married farm lab born cranham glos
   triante ryles wife 56 born peterbough lincolnshire
    isaac ryles son 22 single farm lab born  sindon glos

  Triante had said she had 6 children with 4 dieing and 2 alive!! even though they were all stopping together !

have also found this family on 1911 censu and im sure they link up somewhere with them;
  brookworth common glos 1 ten and 1 van
  William ryles head 35 married travelling gipsey pedlar forest on dean glos
  Sarah Ryles wife 35 travelling gipsy pedlar born forset of dean glos
 Henry ryles son 19  travelling gipsey pedlar born
byrom ryles son 14 born nk
florrie ryles daughter 15 born nk
ellen ryles daughter 13 born nk
christopher ryles son 12 born upton st leonard commom glos?
lizzie ryles daughter 10 born upton st leonards commom glos?
william ryles son 8 born upton st leonard  commom glos?
louisa ryles daughter 3 born upton st leonard  commom glos?
 john ryles son 4 months born upton st leonard commom glos?

im sure they fit in somewhere would love to find out if anyone is linked to any of these familys or new where they came from many thanx Matilda

[matilda1973]

                       i have Adolphus on the 1911 census with "wife" britannia and daughter Lilly May born c1910 . i havent  found and marriage for them before 1911. i have i belive found a birth for Lily may  Mar 1911 Ryles Lily M    Cheltenham just before they listed mothers names! i have found a marriage for a brittannia Lock to an Adolphus Hurn in  Dec 1914 Hurn Adolphus    Lock Cheltenham Lock  brittania  Hurn Cheltenham. i know that Adolphus's brother and sister used the hurn name. wondered if anyone had any ideas??
                                   thanks Matilda

[paperbagprin]

Hi Louise
With the Loveridge connection, I suppose
this could be a connection...

Marriage
Jonas Davis Loveridge ~ Matilda Allen
Year 1894 Qtr Dec Dist: Cheltenham  Vol 6a pg 839

clasping at straws now!   

Sue

Just Recently Found this site, along with the info about my Family, Jonas and Matilda Allen would be my Great Great Grand Parents... There daughter Emily or Emma as she was known was my great grandmother. I've managed to trace back to Job & Alice, as well to what I think are Alice's parents James and Sarah Davis. But if you have any other information on this line, my family would greatly appricate it.

Thanks Billie