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« Reply #360 on: Monday 22 January 07 15:58 GMT (UK) »
Hi All,
I did post a message a while ago congratulating everyone who had helped with this posting and I have followed it intigued with what you have all discovered.

Mary A & Tazzie.  I agree that the Dobell line is too far removed from Robert William Stead and would probably hold no meaning to them.

Michel..  If you think the time is right for you to give up this wrist tag after keeping it for 25 years without being able to pass it on to any of Roberts immediate family then a museum in Liverpool would be quite apt.

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« Reply #361 on: Monday 22 January 07 16:56 GMT (UK) »

Hi All !

I've emailed the Echo this morning to see if we can get our article in sometime soon !! ( impatient Annie strikes again !! )

I agree with everything you say Mary ........ bit of an anticlimax isn't it ?? feels like Christmas when it was so exciting .... but didn't get exactly what you wanted !!  :P :P

I've been trying to follow all the Armed Forces avenues to see if we can get a photo at least .... nothing yet but I'll leave no stone unturned ...... ( as they say !! )  ::) ::)

Here's some pictures of M G C in WW1 that are interesting ! ....... just to keep us going !!  :)

http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-weapons/vickers.htm

Thanks Mary for talking to  Robert Crease's widow ........... interesting we were right about the music shop on County Road Walton ....... !!  :)

I'll post as soon as I hear something OK ?

Annie  :)
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« Reply #362 on: Monday 22 January 07 17:29 GMT (UK) »
Hi everyone!

Thank you Mary for your most recent post.  I'm so glad Robert's widow called, and I agree we have exhausted all near relatives.

Annie, we have found out an 'ell of a lot, and sadly there are do direct relatives, but without the journey nothing would be known.  Of course we should persue the Echo.

In the light of our findings the final decision is of course Michel's, who now knows the truth about the owner of the tag.

Well me, I thank you all for the journey, and you know us Annie, always looking for that photo  ;) !!!

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« Reply #363 on: Monday 22 January 07 20:05 GMT (UK) »
OK, now this is not to conclude matters as we still have the chance of the Liverpool Echo, when they get around to replying to you Annie, of throwing up a successful contact, but I've made preliminary enquiries with Liverpool Museum to see what Michel's other options could be.

I spoke with the Curator of the Kings Regiment, Liverpool Museum.  He told me that the Machine Gun Corps was a WWI only organisation and so quite short lived, however, from what I told him of Annie's posting on the first page of the medal card details, it seems as though
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Lance Corporal
Machine Gun Corps
means that he was in the Regiment that they are interested in before he changed to the Machine Gun Corps.  I confirmed the Liverpool connections that Robert William stead had, his two addresses in Anfield and Gateacre.

There is no guarantee that the Museum would accept this wrist tag, but what will happen is that the Officers Committee of the Curators will meet to look into the question of whether they could accept and agree to look after it in perpetuity.

He asked whether Michel will be sending it to England, to which I replied that this was his plan when a place was found for it.

The Curator will look at this thread, although I tried to give him a short version, he assured me that he would read it all through, I think maybe he was a bit intrigued by our research and then contact me when he's checked out firstly that the connections would make it an appropriate item for them to accept and secondly that the Committee have agreed to be able to keep and maintain it.

The reference number for his file is Offer Number 3100 which is good to keep a note of with this thread.

Annie if you manage to turn up a photo that would be icing on the cake wouldn't it, keep trying girl!

All I can say now is

         Please Mr Curator, we'd just like this wrist-tag to have an appropriate home. :D
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« Reply #364 on: Monday 22 January 07 21:32 GMT (UK) »


  I would just like to echo the words of Mary...please please please if you could see a way to find a good home for this small but meaningful item. It could have been a token from his family for his safe return ..what ever outcome.

 Michel has has been caretaker of this little gem for so long and it would mean so much to him as well if it could come HOME.

  So I hope that my little plea on behalf of Mr Robert Stead MGC -who we have all grown a little attached to will have a very happy ending.

                   Thank you all

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« Reply #365 on: Monday 22 January 07 22:12 GMT (UK) »
To all (Esp Annie) and Mary A

What you have done with you 'n' yours is nothing short of fantastic.

All I ask is that this is remembered.  A man was willing to give up his life for the freedom of others whether it was asked or not.  That wrist tag probably meant very little to him just to ensure that he was treated medically and or buried/given a memorial that respected his beliefs.  Fortunately our man came through although his tag did not! (Look on the bright side)

Today however, that tag, should his descendants know of it, will mean the world.  I mean - the absolute world. 

Just because this wrist tag of a soldier is just that - a wrist tag - it should not diminish what it's true lesson to us all is.  My father fought in another War - and fortunately came through it all in one piece - his medals still in a draw after 60 years.  They may have meant nothing to him as he HAD to fight - they meant and do mean everything to me.

The wrist tag should be kept by those who care and understand it most.  May it's effect never lessen itself on us all.  Michel (mon ami ) you have given a window to show us all how selfless one can be in the pursuit of "doing the right thing" (I do hope you can translate this one of you!!!)

Always the small things in life that can mean so much - eh Gang!

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« Reply #366 on: Monday 22 January 07 22:23 GMT (UK) »
Hey Jude!!
What a beautifully written letter after this great journey we have been on watching this link evolve. I agree with your thoughts on the reality of the situation.
Praise to Michel on his sentiment. His actions on the wrist tag reflect the thanks his countrymen show the men who sacrificed so much for their freedom.
It is very moving, after all these years that people still show their gratitude.
Hopefully the article in the Echo will bring up a living contact who cares as much as all of you do, here on roots. What a band of brothers and sisters you all are!!!!
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« Reply #367 on: Monday 22 January 07 22:37 GMT (UK) »


Tisgrannie ..... you and kidsnana are a very special pair of ladies yourselves ..... !

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We're all lucky - to be surrounded by such nice people !!

Annie  :) :) :)
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« Reply #368 on: Monday 22 January 07 22:53 GMT (UK) »
Hi Annie you just gave me a lovely warm feeling around my heart. Thank you.
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