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« Reply #333 on: Saturday 20 January 07 10:22 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Mary. Just to clarify the thinking: we know from Nora's Will that Arthur Dobell had sons.  Robert Stead was their Aunt Nora's brother. This is a closer connection than the Creases who are related to Robert's Aunt Alice.

Thanks Enoch for the info on Arthur and Whitestaunton manor which is mentioned in Nora's Will. I see there was a Time Team dig there in 2004 http://www.channel4.com/history/microsites/T/timeteam/2004_white.html
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« Reply #334 on: Saturday 20 January 07 14:29 GMT (UK) »
Hi All !

No sign of the Echo yet ......... how long do you think I should wait ??  ???

Thought you may like to look this over ..... what do you think ( I tried to be discreet  ?? ???)

DRAFT # ??

Robert William Stead was born March 22nd 1896 in West Derby Liverpool - the son of William Harley ( Master Mariner ) and Emily ( nee Richards ) Stead and lived at Watford Road Anfield Liverpool

Robert's sister Nora May Stead married George Galloway Dobell at St Andrew West Kirby in 1926 ...

His mother's sister Alice Richards married Miller Crease - who was a music seller in 1901 census ( The Dobell and Crease families are very much a part of his family tree - as well as the families - Richards Keay Butterworth)

Robert William Stead was 17 years and 5 months old when he attested to join the army for 4 years in Liverpool  on 25  August 1913 He gave his address as Watford Road Anfield Liverpool the home of his father William Harley Stead  who he gave as next of kin and later identified as a Master Mariner  Robert  who was a single man, identified his birthplace as Liverpool Lancashire  - his current occupation as a bank clerk at Parr's Bank Liverpool  and his religion as Church of England.
He returned  the next day, for a medical examination. This revealed that he stood 5 feet 9 inches tall, weighed 10st 9lbs  and had a chest measurement of 35 inches.

He was accepted into 6th Rifle battalion of the Kings Liverpool Regiment

Once in the Army - Robert William Stead became a number – 1466   to begin with - he faced a couple of months worth of drill square bashing and weapons training - in order to turn him from a bank clerk to soldier .......  Private Stead 's unit first entered the theatre of war in France in February 1915  and he was promoted to L/Cpl 28th August 1915

Yet Robert given his intelligence - was not the sort of man to remain an infantry soldier for long - in fact he was the perfect sort of person to become a member of the newly created Machine Gun Corps.

Robert William Stead # 22397 attested  20th February 1916  with 165 Brigade MGC and was promoted A/Cpl 29th March 1916 - he was sent to the Machine Gun training centre at Grantham back in England   - here he familiarised himself with the workings and complexities of the Vickers .303  and heavy machine guns

He became a team player – each gun was ideally manned by a crew of eight  - four men were involved in the actual firing and the other four responsible for sighting and the preparation and the bringing up of ammunition - crews in the field normally numbered six - simply because of the shortage of men.

The course only lasted approximately 6 weeks due to the intense demand for gunners.  Thus Robert really only had basic training in the complexities of machine-gun warfare. 

( The targets of every enemy weapon - members of the MGC were also called the Suicide Squad )  He rose through the ranks and was promoted  to Second Lieutentant

Robert was wounded in the chest and thigh in August 1916 while in Abbeville and was released from the Army 20th March 1919

Coming home after the war he married Elizabeth Neil Grant in 1921 at St Simon and St  Judes Church Liverpool and they moved to Gateacre .... tragically they were only married 5 years as Robert William Stead died in 1926 in Gateacre



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« Reply #335 on: Saturday 20 January 07 19:31 GMT (UK) »
I have been dippin' in 'n' out of this thread for days - fascinated and absolutely blown away by the amount of information and the speed at which that information has been gathered.  As I went off to look at something one of you guys had already been there done it and were wearing the T shirt ;D

Annie, do you think or not think it may be beneficial to mention Elizabeth's subequent marriage to Hurst, just in case we can get feedback from people who knew her under that surname too.  Maybe (although it could be pushing the boundaries a bit) her last address etc.

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« Reply #336 on: Saturday 20 January 07 19:55 GMT (UK) »


Hi Jude !

Thank you for taking an interest ! it's been quite exciting hasn't it ??  :)

I had the Hurst information in there - but then I took it out - as I was undecided whether to give that much information !!  :-\ 
we have to be a little careful as we may be treading in places we shouldn't be treading .... if you know what I mean  :)  I'd hate to upset anybody  ::) ::)  although most of the information is in the public domain !!

I guess I 'm just waiting  for clarification as I'm not sure how to proceed !!

Annie  :) :)
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« Reply #337 on: Saturday 20 January 07 19:56 GMT (UK) »
I doubt if you'll hear anything from The Echo before Monday as I suspect they are having the weekend off.
Middx - VAUS, ROBERTS, EVERSFIELD, INMAN, STAR, HOLBECK, WYATT, BICKFORD, SMITH, REDWOOD
Hants - SMALL, HAMMERTON, GRIST, FRYER, TRODD, DAGWELL, PARKER, WOODFORD, CROUTEAR, BECK, BENDELL, KEEPING, HARDING, BULL
Kent - BAYLY, BORER, MITCHELL, PLANE, VERNON, FARRANCE, CHAPMAN, MEDHURST, LOMAX, WYATT, IDEN
Devon - TOPE, BICKFORD, FOSTER
YKS - QUIRK, McGUIRE, BENN
Nott/Derbs - SLACK
Herts - BARNES
L'pool- PLUMBE
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« Reply #338 on: Saturday 20 January 07 20:47 GMT (UK) »
Is there a local radio station who might be interested in helping you?


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« Reply #339 on: Saturday 20 January 07 20:49 GMT (UK) »
Hi all: Again I can offer no help, living across the Atlantic as I do. But I would like to suggest that if no one is found to return the medal to we try to convince Michel to keep it. I wrote a reply for Michel in English to that effect in Message 323 of this topic, and Alcrighton was kind enough to translate it today into French so that Michel can read it in his mother tongue. I've just modified my original message with the translation.

My interest here is that I've read a good bit about the First World War, most recently in December while researching an essay for a course in my master's degree program. I think the Great War was one of the most foolish spectacles ever engaged in by mankind (particularly men, if there are any feminists reading). A whole generation of European youth were ordered to get up and charge into certain death. What fools those mortals, their generals, were. Anyone who suffered through that carnage certainly deserves to be remembered and honored as all of you--especially Michel--are remembering Robert Stead. And the world needs to be reminded that war--unless it's strictly defensive--is simply a stupid endeavor.

End of pontification,
John

P.S. My own English grandfather, who emigrated to the U.S. in 1905 as a boy almost had the misfortune of being inducted into the British Army in 1915, when, thinking he was safe because he lived in America, he innocently returned to England for a visit. My DNA thanks him for getting out of that fix safely.
ENGLAND (all Yorkshire but one)
SLATER: Ovenden, Halifax, and Massachusetts
DOBSON, LONGBOTTOM: Thornton (Bradford)
DRURY: Darton, Halifax, and Massachusetts
NEVIL(LE): Wigan (Lancs.), Darton
MEGSON: Dewsbury, Ossett
GARSIDE: Woolley, West Bretton

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ROBERT HENDRY: b. 1856, Who-knows-where-shire, Scotland; 1882 to US
DEMPSTER, HOUSTON: Lesmahagow, Glasgow, and Massachusetts
GALBRAITH, MEIKLE: Kirkmichael, Ayr.; Hamilton, Glasgow, and Massachusetts

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« Reply #340 on: Saturday 20 January 07 23:05 GMT (UK) »



Wonder if the gardener in Nora's will - would know of more family and could direct us to someone ?

He seems to have been well thought of  :)

Annie  :)
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« Reply #341 on: Saturday 20 January 07 23:30 GMT (UK) »
Hello all,

absent from the house all the day, I take again the reading and the translation of the messages starting from N°325 in this moment, it is 12.15 am.

 Annie, how have you made to also clearly summarize the life of Robert STEAD? it is impressive !

John and Al, I read with much interest your messages.

many tanks to all those who help in the research an prospose new ideas to progress (Mary, RT etc...)

Michel