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Re: Are you sitting comfortably ? then I'll begin !!
« Reply #252 on: Thursday 18 January 07 01:21 GMT (UK) »
 Not sure if you have this but couldn't see it on the family tree.

Found...

Nora May Dobell
died aged 88 on 8 Dec 1981 at home 5 St Peters Close Heswall (formerly of Bramerton Meols Drive West Kirby) widow of George Galloway. Service and cremation at Landican Crematorium Monday Dec 14 11am.
Flowers to T. A. Ball Funeral Service Woodchurch Birkenhead.

Friday 28 May 1976
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Mr George Galloway Dobell of West Kirby Merseyside


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« Reply #253 on: Thursday 18 January 07 01:30 GMT (UK) »


Woohoo Linda !  :D :D

I just typed a reply and was dancing around at the same time ........ and I think I lost it !!  ;) ;) ;)

Thank you so much for that !!

Annie  :)
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« Reply #254 on: Thursday 18 January 07 03:34 GMT (UK) »


These were Dobell snippets I found ........ but we don't need them now  ???

Dobell's to America

http://www.ellisislandrecords.org/search/matchMore.asp?kind=exact&FNM=&LNM=Dobell&x=53&y=3&dwpdone=1

There is a GL Dobell  WW1 War Memorial, Birkenhead, Cheshire

http://www.carlscam.com/warmem/birkenhead.htm

In Memory of
Lieutenant G L DOBELL

53rd Sqdn., Royal Air Force
who died age 25
on 11 August 1918
Son of William Blount Dobell and Agnes Dobell, of 31, Hamilton Square, Birkenhead.
Remembered with honour
METEREN MILITARY CEMETERY

BJ Dobell

In Memory of
Engine Room Artificer 4th Class BASIL JAMES DOBELL

D/MX 79479, H.M.S. Galatea, Royal Navy
who died age 22
on 15 December 1941

Remembered with honour
PLYMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIAL

http://www.carlscam.com/warmem/weaverham.htm

G H DOBELLS, Caterer

http://www.carlscam.com/warmem/thetis.htm
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« Reply #255 on: Thursday 18 January 07 07:38 GMT (UK) »
So we've found Robert Stead's sister Nora May. Well done Linda. !

Now all we need is her Will....

Just for completeness here is the GRO index entry for Nora's death:

Birkenhead 4Q 1981 vol 37 page G846

DOBELL Nora May born 1 September 1893
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« Reply #256 on: Thursday 18 January 07 09:36 GMT (UK) »
Way to go Linda!!! - it does not mention any children, which is disappointing.

1901 Census RG13/771 Folio 26 Page 8
Richard Butterworth 72
Harrietta Ann Butterworth 73
Arthur Butterworth 35
Angela Stead 58 Single sister-in-law

Richard & Harrietta appear to have had at least 6 kids - but I'm not sure if it's worth going there ???

Additional info Qtr. June 1851 Richard married Harriet Anne Steads
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« Reply #257 on: Thursday 18 January 07 10:35 GMT (UK) »
Just maybe....

Richard Butterworth m Harriet Ann Stead 1 May 1851 St. Margaret, Leicester
http://www.stead-steedons.co.uk/cgi-bin/urlsrch/urlsrch.cgi

Tilehurst, Berkshire 1861 Census RG9/744 Folio 6 Page 6
Richard Butterworth 32
Harriett Ann Butterworth 33
Adaliza Butterworth 9
Joseph Steads Butterworth 6
Richard Butterworth 4
Albert Hope Butterworth 2
Euclid Hope Butterworth 1

Euclid Hope m Florence Isabel Denham
1882 1st Qtr. Aston Warwickshire

Did they have a double wedding with Lucinda Hope Butterworth who is listed on the same page ???

Ardsley, Wakefield 1901 Census RG13/4292 Folio 103 Page 30
Euclid H Butterworth 41
Florence J Butterworth 42
Elsie M Butterworth 19
Euclid D Butterworth 14
Florence D Butterworth 11
Roy S Butterworth 8
Constance J Butterworth 4
Adelija Nicholson 49, Visitor (Euclid’s sister)
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BUCKLEY ~ Cork & Manchester
FRANKLIN ~ Clerkenwell, London
BRADY ~ Kildare & Manchester
DERICK ~ France
FRIEND ~ Kent & Portsmouth
TYLDESLEY ~ Lancashire
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« Reply #258 on: Thursday 18 January 07 11:46 GMT (UK) »
I now think the Pritchard connection is a red herring Annie. Looking at the 1901 image, numbers 72 and 74 Rockfield are clearly separate households.

My guess is that Emily Stead completed the forms showing her father as Head ( of the household, not his name!), but with a note to the effect  that he wasn't actually there on census night, so the enumerator ignored the absentees but transcribed the rest of the entries faithfully. Hence there is no Head of the household at 74 Rockfield. It starts with Emily as Daur. (the later mistranscription of Stead as Head is another story)

But who was Elspet the nurse?

I agree with the red herring bit, thought I'd mentioned it quite a while ago that it appeared the parents were "away" but that presumably they still lived there so Emily was listed as "daughter".  I also wondered about Elspet but assumed - rightly or wrongly that she has been dittoed by mistake.


  I cannot read the two names signed at the bottom of the will.... again best not put them on here... I even blew them up but still cannot make it all out.

The second name I can't make out, possibly one of her friends at the time of making the will since the address is the same, also note the last word looks like "Retired".  If it was somebody of similar age to herself, as the writing is shaky, then likely no good to us now.  I did try what I thought the name might be in 192.com but no results.

The other one (also noted as "retired") I checked 192.com and she is listed on an Historical Electoral Roll, although not (at least on that site) on the current roll, nor with a phone number.  There is no death listed in the 1984-2004 database, I suppose it's a 50/50 chance she's died in the last 2-3 years, or could she still be living? but may have moved during the last couple of years.  The only way of enquiring would be by personal visit.  Opinion please as to whether this would be worthwhile.

Well done Linda for the death and funeral details. 
Opinions pleaseAm I allowed to quote the details in full on the family tree? I know Linda was asked to remove the mention of money for this thread but as this presumably came from an entry online, would it be permissible for me to quote it, and please Linda can you give me the link where it came from for the source details.

Annie I don't think Dobells are particularly scarce on the Wirral, I think in that case we need to stick to some who are known to be related to our George..... if anybody can relate them ??

Wendi, I'll add those census and marriage details to the tree, but I think I agree with you that if we get down to anybody living the relationship would be too far.

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« Reply #259 on: Thursday 18 January 07 14:16 GMT (UK) »


The other one (also noted as "retired") I checked 192.com and she is listed on an Historical Electoral Roll, although not (at least on that site) on the current roll, nor with a phone number.  There is no death listed in the 1984-2004 database, I suppose it's a 50/50 chance she's died in the last 2-3 years, or could she still be living? but may have moved during the last couple of years.  The only way of enquiring would be by personal visit.  Opinion please as to whether this would be worthwhile.

Well done Linda for the death and funeral details. 
Opinions pleaseAm I allowed to quote the details in full on the family tree? I know Linda was asked to remove the mention of money for this thread but as this presumably came from an entry online, would it be permissible for me to quote it, and please Linda can you give me the link where it came from for the source details.

Annie I don't think Dobells are particularly scarce on the Wirral, I think in that case we need to stick to some who are known to be related to our George..... if anybody can relate them ??



Hi Mary !

I wonder if now we've found Nora May - if it would be neccessary to make a personal visit ! my opinion would be .... "I don't think so " !!

As for the will I think it would be appropriate on the website but not on the thread ..... I seem to remember some time ago Sarah said that as long as it was printed in the newspaper and was already in the public domain then it was Ok to be quoted !!

The only reason I posted my Dobells was ..... that I had been collecting them ..... just in case ....... and although I knew they were probably no good for our search .... maybe somebody looking at this thread for Dobells may be able to claim them !! ..... plus as you know - War Memorials etc are close to my heart !!

Annie  :)
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« Reply #260 on: Thursday 18 January 07 14:17 GMT (UK) »
Dear Annie, Mary A, Tazzie, RT, Wendi, Linda and everyone else that has contributed towards this thread,

I have been enthralled with your detective work and dedication to get michal a result he so wishes.
 I hope this has a happy ending for everyone, keep up the hardwork, you are all a credit to Rootschat.  WELL DONE!!!

Gail
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