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harold 1066 about the Robert who died 1885 with the Coroner's inquest don't you think it was Robert b abt 1824 son of Joseph (1786)and Jane? I thought he was the one who died Sep qtr 1885 wantage District
Messenger  Robert  63  Wantage  2c 1?1

by the way I have a marriage for him and Elizabeth Jane PORTER Sept Qtr 1857 Wantage District  Messenger  Robert  63  Wantage  2c 1?1
Now are these the Robert and Elizabeth on rgmess tree and are they the Window MESSENGERS?
I do hope rgmess can help with this one.
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[Harold1066]

All,

From my understanding the Window is dedicated to Robert & Elizabeth Jane Messenger (nee Porter), see image attached for wording of the dedication.  For some reason throughout the censuses Elizabeth is called Jane.

Robert was baptised  31 Mar 1822 in Chaddleworth - (from research by my wife and her sister - believe Chaddleworth PRs) he was the son of  Joseph & Jane Messenger.  His death is recorded in 1885 - Wantage Registration District - and he was buried 17 Sept 1885 (again from research by my wife and her sister - believe Chaddleworth PRs).  So this would make him the must likely candidate for the Corner's inquest.  ( he is my wife's 1st Cousin 3x removed - via Robert & Elizabeth (nee Froud) Messenger.

All I know about his wife is that she was born 1836, Bracknell, Berkshire and in 1851 was living in Chaddleworth with her grand-mother Elizabeth Beesley. 

They have 9 children - I have names & approx birth years, but no details of their marriages or subsequent children.

Robert seems to have been very prosperous in that:

In 1851 he is a Timber Merchant with his mum.

In 1861 he is a Timber merchant, Farmer (150 acres - employing 6 men & 2 boys) and a Builder (employing 10 men and 1 boy in trade).

in 1871 he is a Builder employing 4 men and Farmer of 492 acres employing 19 men 5 boys and 2 women.

in 1881 he is a Farmer of 680 acres employing 14 men, 7 boys and 2 women.

His father Joseph was born 1786 and died before the 1851 census and was the son of Robert and Elizabeth Messenger  - Nee Froud(e). 

His mother Jane was born about 1783 in the Mile End, London - not sure why she moved to Berkshire.  In the 1851 census she is a Widow and Timber Merchant.  In the 1861 census she is living with her son Robert.

Harold1066

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Don't  forget there was a tenth child who sadly only lived 36 hrs Agnes mar qtr 1871
great photograph the close up of the inscription is a great help I to think Robert is the one as you say subject of the coroners inquest but was he the one who died June qtr 1885 it seems a long delay to the funeral.
rgmess can you add anything to this please?
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[newburychap]

Don't  forget there was a tenth child who sadly only lived 36 hrs Agnes mar qtr 1871
great photograph the close up of the inscription is a great help I to think Robert is the one as you say subject of the coroners inquest but was he the one who died June qtr 1885 it seems a long delay to the funeral.
rgmess can you add anything to this please?
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Memorial windows can be put in place decades after any funeral - a year or two would certainly be commonplace. There could well be information in the records of the church - adding a window like this would involve negotiations with the parochial church council etc.

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Hi Newbury I agree the window could well be well after the funerl my query is the registration of the death I found for June qtr and the funeral in September
How long a delay would there be for a coroner's inquest?
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[Trees]

OK I am now officially MAD the registration for the death was SEPTEMBER qtre not June

Trees with a very red face.

[newburychap]

How long a delay would there be for a coroner's inquest?

Inquests seem to have been held within days of the death.

[Harold1066]

Remember the window is dedicated to both Robert and his wife so suspect that it would not have been thought about until both Robert & Elizabeth had died.  At present I have not found the death registration for Elizabeth Jane Messenger, but she would only have been 73 if she lived to 1909.

rgmess:- Have you got any information?

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Elizabeth Jane died Mar qtr 1906 Wantage  6 317 age 68

For some daft moment I hadthought he died jun qte not Sep qtr 1885 
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