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Offline Harold1066

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MESSENGER Surname
« on: Thursday 11 January 07 19:56 GMT (UK) »
Looking for information on the MESSENGER family know that they were in Chaddleworth C1750's more information greatly appreciated.

POILE (and all varients), FISHER, BONNER, BETTS, JENNER, MESSENGER, GIBBS (Shutford), FROUD

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« Reply #1 on: Monday 12 November 07 19:54 GMT (UK) »
Did you receive any response to your query re messengers in Chaddleworth?  I've traced my messengers to Chaddleworth and have some info,although I did this many years ago and will have to go digging to find it.  What info do you have, if any, and what Messenger's are you looking for?  Mine were Elizabeth and Robert.

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« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 28 October 08 19:09 GMT (UK) »
Sorry for the delay in replying to this but last year we moved home and I have been busy doing other things and completely forgot about my ROOTSCHAT account until somebody else said it was a good forum, so thought I should look at it and the system remembered that I was a registered user.

Our line of Messengers start with Robert Messenger born C1750 in ?  and his wife Elizabeth FROUD born 1753 in Chaddleworth.  Through other contacts I have the Froud line back to Nicholas Froud Born 1640 in Wantage.

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« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 29 October 08 09:42 GMT (UK) »
Where have you looked for Robert messenger Harold1066?
Has anyone else found him?
We know Robert and Elizabeth had 8 children baptised in Chaddleworthbut where was he originally from    QAAny help would be very welcome.
(You can see the Froud line on my web site)
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« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 29 October 08 10:15 GMT (UK) »
have you seen that there is a coroner report at the Berkshire Record office
Robert Messenger, Chaddleworth  COR/WT/1/11/26  14 Sep 1885 1 bdl Contents: (4 docs)

Would be worth a look
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« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 29 October 08 19:18 GMT (UK) »
Trees,

Think this is another Robert Messenger, probably the one that the window in Chaddleworth Church (see image) is dedicated to.  It seems that it was almost a unwritten rule that every Messenger family had to have a son called Robert.  (at least 4 all alive in the 1880s) this tradition seems so strong that our Messenger family were so keen to keep it going that when the first son they called Robert died the minute the next son was born they called him Robert.

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« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 29 October 08 19:31 GMT (UK) »
What a lovely window it  would make a great Christmas card
I've been looking at the history of the Ibex pub kept by Thomas Messenger. So it appears it was originally the farm house owned by Joseph FROUD (FRUDE) but which thomas most people have Joseph 1668 do you agree with this assesment. Do you know if there is a memorial/grave stone for Joseph who died 1747 showing his age?
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« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 29 October 08 20:44 GMT (UK) »
Indeed I did use it for a Christmas card the year it was taken - the original unshrunk version is even better and when I play with the settings you can see the details in the stone work as well.

When we last visited Chaddlworth in 2005 we were trying to find out information about the MESSENGERs and more of their live after they moved from Chaddleworth, in particular trying to locate where they actually lived in Highclere / East Woodhay and did not think to look for FROUD graves - we now live a lot closer so will need to do another visit with a longer list of names to look for.

I have a 'poor' photograph of a Bill of Sale of the IBEX that in 2005 was on dispaly in the pub.  This shows it the Freehold being sold by auction on Tuesday May 2nd, 1876 at 3 o'clock in the afternoon on the instructions of the Trustees of the will of Mr Thos. Messenger.  The current occupier of the property being a Mr Fox, who was under notice to quit at Michaelmas, and paying £10 per annum rent - features belonging to the tenant.

We know from the 1851 Census returns that Thomas Messenger ( 1792 - 1868) was an Innkeeper, residing with his family in the Ibex Inn, Chaddleworth. 

But in 1861 Thomas is listed as a farmer and the Ibex is occupied by a Henry Lovell and his wife Eliza.

In 1871 the Ibex is occupied by John Fox and his family and it appears that the enumerator has written the address as Nodmore (Ibex Inn) for some reason.

What we have worked out yet is why the trustees of Thomas's will left it until 1876 to sell the Ibex - it might have something to do with his wife Caroline since she lived until Nov 1875 - since in 1871 census she is shown as living on an income (rent from the Ibex?).

Harold1066

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« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 29 October 08 21:19 GMT (UK) »
For Chaddleworth

Kelly's directory 1848
Messenger John Carpenter Wheelwright
Messenger Thomas Ibex Inn

The post office Directory for 1854 has
MESSENGER Robert farmer and carpenter and
MESSENGER Thomas Ibex & shopkeeper

Harrod & Coy 1876
John Fox baker and vict Ibex
MESSENGER Robert general builder

can you work out which John and Robert these are was it 1 or 2 Roberts
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