PRIESTLEYS of Battersea Rise SW11

[Den]

My great grandfather Albert Edward Priestley, who died in Birmingham on 7 Jan. 1934, was, according to his daughter Alice May, born in London on 10 March 1857, although there is no record of his birth having been registered. According to his marriage certificate - he married Clara Woodward on 17 March 1880 at Birmingham Registry Office - his father Edward Priestley was a "licensed victualler, deceased". My grandmother was told that the family had kept a pub on Battersea Rise SW11. Beyond this I know nothing more about the London Priestley family, and have no access to censuses before 1871. Any help greatly appreciated! Den.

[carol8353]

Hi Den

I've just noticed that you've had no replies to your message.I'm sorry no one has been able to help so far.

Are you still looking for info on your Priestley family?

If so do you have any further info you could let us help to enable one of us to help you.

Regards

Carol

[Den]

Many thanks, Carol. No, very little progress, I'm afraid. I've come across an Edward Priestley b. 1837 d. 1878 St Olave's London burial, if what I have about him is accurate: he seems to be the only one who fits. No real help from the earlier censuses 1841 onwards, unless I'm looking in the wrong place! Any suggestions?

Best wishes,

Dennis.

[carol8353]

Den

You say you have the family on the 1871 census,can you list the details here please.Also what age does he give in 1880 on his marriage cert.
Who are the witnesses- often very useful brothers or sisters 

Will see what else I can find for you.

Was he always known as Albert- or did he swap his christian names around,as some do.

All the best

Carol

[Den]

Many thanks, Carol. I have Albert Edward (or Edward Albert) in 1881 but not earlier:

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This is the additional info I have from various sources:

"At the time of his marriage he lived at 81 Sherborne Street, Birmingham 16, off Broad Street. According to his son Alfred Ernest's birth certificate, he was a "cutter out at tailor's" in July 1880.  In the 1881 census he was married, 24, "tailor cutter", living at Broomfield, Harborne, Staffs, wife Clara aged 20, son Alfred Ernest Priestley aged 9 months.  In the 1901 census he is aged 44, born in "London Mayfair", occupation "tailor", resident at 129 Aberdeen Street [Winson Green, Birmingham 18]. After his first son Alfred's death, his second son was named Albert Edward known as "Edward" or "Ted".  "A tailor cutter from London, his family was from Battersea Rise, where they kept a pub. He played the flute and was fond of garlic" (daughter Alice May Brown née Priestley's recollection]. He later had a hardware shop and house at 344 Lodge Road, Hockley, next to a railway cutting and bridge, from about 1910 (Kelly's Birmingham Trades 1910), but continued to work as a tailor, making suits (he kept his sewing machine under the living room window).

Perhaps some link with this family in 1881, licensed victualler of the South Street Falcon, Edmonton?:

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and in 1871, Charles senior a "Drayman":

That's all I have, no birth registered on 10 March 1857 acc. to GRO, his birthday and date acc. to Alice May Priestley. A total mystery. Was he born abroad?

Best wishes,

Dennis.

[carol8353]

If he was born in London according to both the 1881 and 1901 censuses he ought to be there in the 1861 census surely?

Maybe he wasn't born a Priestley- perhaps his mum was unmarried?

Do you have the actual marriage cert- if so who were the witnesses.
They have often led me to finding someone -albeit using the long way round.

You say you have a hunch about the 1879 death of Edward Priestley.
Have you bought the cert or tried to find if he left a will or anything to see if it could be Albert's dad.

Will keep thinking on this one......is anyone else out there with any suggestions.

Carol

[Den]

Many thanks, Carol I agree he should be there in 1861 and 1871. There is an Albert Edward Priestley b. Huddersfield 1857 but his father's name isn't Edward and they live in Yorkshire! The problem is that none of the bits fit together - no birth cert., the move from London to Birmingham (why?), born in Mayfair according to the census (not Battersea Rise). I have his marriage cert. if I can lay my hands on it, it doesn't give much away as far as I recall. Did his mother remarry or was she not married when he was born? Did AEP decide to change his surname for some reason? I'm totally nonplussed. It's the only "brick wall" I've never been able to break through...

Best wishes,

Dennis.