Watermen and lighter-men Apprenticeships Bindings Look up Please?

[suziegreenhill]

Sue,

thank you so much for this. It has helped to fill in the picture a bit for Thomas Hiram. The Dewar bit is useful too - it answers a question about his wife, whose name is "Devoir" on the marriage index, but has no other records under that name.

Approaching the problem from the other direction, all I have on my grandfather's birth certificate (Oct 1902) are that his parents are William Jones, lighterman/journeyman and Catherine Eliza Jones, late Slack, formerly Williams, laundress.

The address is in Queen's Head Alley but they are not at the address on the 1901 census and I haven't yet managed to find a marriage record for them either.

At least now I know that if William was related to Thomas Hiram snr and was a licensed lighterman he didn't do his apprenticeship with his father.  George James and Thomas Robert who were bound to Thomas Hiram may have been Williams' older brothers. Do you know if either of them took on any apprentices at all?

Many thanks,

Sue

[PrueM]

Hi Sue 

I wonder if I might be cheeky and ask you to take a look in your CD for one of hubby's rellies, Jethro DOBSON?  He was allegedly a waterman who worked at some time for Eton school.  He lived all his life at Eton, was born 1826 and died 1893.

Thank you so much 

Prue

[suzey68]

Hi Prue

Can't find a Jethro Dobson on the apprentice bindings.
Most of the Dobsons on the indexes are Chelsea, Wandsworth, Westminster and Greenwich. The farthest west I can find is Kew in 1745.

Sue

[PrueM]

Thank you Sue for looking    It was definitely an off-chance anyway 
Cheers
Prue

[suzey68]

Hi Sue

I have had a look through the bindings again and can't find any instances of George James or Thomas Robert having apprentices.

Cheers
Sue

[suey]

Hello Sue, I'm jumping on the bandwagon here.  Please may I have a look up too.

These are my OH's rellies all from the Blackwall, Poplar area

George Charles Lowther Carvallo born 1850 and his two sons George James born 1875 and James Reuban born 1879, Lowther Carvallo all in various census were described as either Watermen or Lightermen.

(surnames in no particular order by the way, they used either one or both at various times ) 
I beleive they may have connections to an Edward or Joseph Redknap.

Suey

[bearkat]

Sue,
Many thanks for the VAUS entries.  I do have these already having visited the Guildhall Library many years ago.

It's great to be able to find out more about our ancestors lives.

[suzey68]

Hi Suey

Nothing around these dates for the "Lowther" name and nothing at all for the "Carvallo" name.
I have had a quick look around both names for a mis-transcribed spelling and surprisingly enough found the following:-

George Carvalho bound 13/11/1866 in Poplar to Joseph Reuben Redknapp, completed 09/01/1872
His sons we cannot find as either spelling.

There are some earlier Lowther names and quite a few Redknap names and I will PM you with more details.

Sue

[luckychirpy]

Suzey,
I wonder if you could do a look-up for me as you have done for others. There are two surnnames of interest to me.

A John Frederick Vallance...he lived in Southwark in late 1800s

A Daniel McLeman Stephen...living in Walthamstow possibly from1911 onwards. He worked as a docker but may have worked as a waterman/lighterman.

If you can help I would be most grateful.

Thanks
Alex