Watermen and lighter-men Apprenticeships Bindings Look up Please?

[loo]

You are being very kind with these look-ups.

I have MAXWELLs and LATTIMERs that were lightermen.  I am very confused about them from looking on censuses because so many of them had similar names.  I would love to know which of them appear on this list, and any details.  They lived in Rotherhithe/Horseleydowns area, Bermondsey.

In particular,
William (Thomas?) MAXWELL b. abt 1808
Thomas Henry MAXWELL b. abt 1850
Thomas MAXWELL (d.1849, don't know birth)
John LATTIMER b. abt 1791
John LATTIMER b. abt 1815
John Josiah LATTIMER b. abt 1841
George LATTIMER  b.abt 1847
I know there are lots more of them, and I would like to have a complete list, but have no idea if that is difficult for you or not as I've never seen this document, so will leave it to you.
I am also interested in knowing of occasions when one of them was the master, and who he took on as apprentices.
I have quite a job ahead of me to sort out the who's who!  Anything you can provide would be appreciated.
Ta.

[suzey68]

Hi Loo

From your info the following look like the closest matches.

MAXWELL WILLIAM THOMAS JNR. 18/10/1821 ROTHERHITHE WILLIAM THOMAS MAXWELL 13/11/1828
MAXWELL THOMAS HENRY 10/05/1864 BERMONDSEY WM.THOS.MAXWELL 2ND. 11/07/1871
LATTIMER (SIC) JOHN 20/06/1805 HORSLYDOWN ** JOHN TERRY 13/05/1813
LATTIMER JOHN JNR. 14/01/1830 BERMONDSEY JOHN LATTIMER SNR. 09/02/1837
LATTIMER JOHN JOSIAS 12/10/1854 BERMONDSEY JOHN LATTIMER JNR. 12/11/1861
LATTIMER GEORGE 11/12/1860 BERMONDSEY JOHN LATTIMER 10/03/1868

It is harder to try and pin down masters unless you know the names that could have been apprentices to them, especially as there were so many Maxwell and Lattimer names on the full list.

I will PM you with a latger list for you to try and sort out.

Sue

[pettsy]

Hello Suzey68,
May I be cheeky and ask you to do a look up for me too please.

My 3x great grandfather was a waterman from Chelsea.
So was his uncle Timothy and James.
Would you please look for any William, Timothy, James and Frederick Carters from Chelsea, Battersea & Hammersmith.Or any Carters from those areas.

Thank you 

Pettsy 

[kena]

Hi Sue, please are there any for Staffordshire (Cauldon Canal), please if there are any could lookup a William Brindley of Norton, Staffordshire born 1798, possibly started working on the canals 1810's/1820's or after.

Thanks

Anna

[loo]

Thank you very much, Suzey.  It's nice, for once, to see that there is actual documentation of the trades that the ancestors are said to have plied!  I shall work my way through it all, slowly...!

[Spitfire]

Thank-you for your kind offer.  I would be interested in the details of William Howlett , 1863.  It is difficult to pinpoint a location as William has travelled from Bucks (where he was born) to Peterborough and then Dover and onto London.
His locations each time only taken from the information given on birth/death certs and the census.
I find it unlikely that this is my William as he was born in 1831 and perhaps would have been to old?  I would however still appreciate the details you have.
Many thanks,
Emma

[suzey68]

Hi Pettsy

There are alot of Carters' but I thing these are the ones you are looking for plus a few more.

CARTER TIMOTHY       08/02/1849    FULHAM         JOHN KELLEY            11/03/1858
CARTER WILLIAM       14/09/1854    BATTERSEA    JOHN KELLEY            08/10/1861
CARTER JAMES JNR.    08/09/1831   CHELSEA        JAMES CARTER SNR. 14/09/1848
CARTER FREDERICK THOMAS 13/02/1877 HAMMERSMITH   TIMOTHY CARTER 00/00/0000

CARTER JAMES            06/08/1789  CHELSEA   GEORGE CARTER        22/07/1802
CARTER WILLIAM        20/11/1735  CHELSEA    JOHN NEALE               00/00/0000

Sue

[suzey68]

Hi Anna

Sorry I am unable to help with this one.
The resource CD I have is for the Company of Watermen and Lightermen which was one of the City of London Guilds and covers the London area of the river Thames from 1692 to 1949.

Sue

[suzey68]

Hi Emma

Here are all the William Howletts after 1863

HOWLETT WILLIAM               11/08/1863      DEPTFORD    ROBERT HOWLETT    DROWNED
 
HOWLETT WILLIAM CHARLES        1901 MAY 14   DEPTFORD    JAMES HOWLETT      ---- --- --
HOWLETT WILLIAM HENRY            1887 SEP 13   GREENWICH  ROBERT HOWLETT   1892 DEC 13
HOWLETT WILLIAM JOHN ALBERT  1897 SEP 14   DEPTFORD    HENRY HOWLETT     1905 MAY 9

Sue