Henry VISTIRIN - Corset maker

[jean west]

Can anyone offer any help, I have been searching for the birth of Henry Vistirin he married 1815 Spitalfields church Stepney to Ann George. He was a corset maker I found a John Vistirin as a corset maker in London but cannot find any birth records for this family, Vistirin does seem unusual I found a Sophia Vistirin marrying  1814 Samuel Lloyd at the same church prior to this I cannot find them in England does anyone have any suggestions.
Many thanks

[Meliora]

Hello, Jean,

Is this of any help ?

Death  (freeBMDs)

Henry Vistirin
June ¼  1840  Marylebone  1   17

This may be the reason I could find nothing in any census for him.    With regard to any birth record, with a name like Vistirin, could he have been born in Europe  ?

Meliora

[Meliora]

A little more info.    source IGI

Parents
Herny Vistirin & Ann

children
James VISTRRIN
bapt.  21st Aug 1826  St Martins in the Fields, Westminster

Sophia VISTIRIN
born  28th Oct. 1828
bapt  1st Feb 1829  St Mary Marylebone Rd.

Meliroa

[chasbaz]

It is probably worth checking denization records.  Sometimes they have a lot of details about the family's origin. Not in my case, of course, just saying 'alien born'. These are either found in the NA or in the Proceedings of the Huguenot Society, which can be found in a good library or archive.

I found a marriage at St George, Hanover Sq for Aug 30, 1797, for:
'John Baptist Visterin, of this parish, W[idower] and Mary Magdelaine Charlotte Couvelaire, Licence'
[Harleian Society]

[Valda]

Prerogative Court of Canterbury will

Will of John Vistirin, Gentleman of Dover Street Piccadilly, Middlesex
Date 18 January 1821
Catalogue reference PROB 11/1638 

Regards

Valda

[chasbaz]

Have a look at the Times digital archive - I looked for 'vistirin' btween 1785 and 1830 and found 126 results, mainly advertisements for Mr Vistirin's patent stays. He seems to have had a royal warrant, so possibly made corsets for Prinny.  My gggggfr was Prinny's tailor and also for a time had premises in  Dover St.  Perhaps he knew some of the family since he was also part of the French community. There was also a Miss L (or R) Vistirin who married a Mr Robinson and also made stays. They were all at it!

To search the Times go to http://www.galaxy.bedfordshire.gov.uk/cgi-bin/vlib.sh and register.  It's free. Then you will get a PIN and password and be able to search the online newspaper archive amongst other useful things.

[jean west]

Dear Chasbaz, thank you for the information that was more information than I have been able to find in 10years of searching hence I always put aside my Vistirins in the too hard basket. One thing I live in Australia and I do not seem to be able to find any information I can access on line on the denization records or proceedings of the Huguenot Society.
I am thrilled with the information of the 2nd marriage I have not been able to find that listing how did you find it. ?
Once again thankyou for taking the time to help.
Jean,

[Valda]

The National Archives research guides will give you information on 'naturalization' records.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/researchguidesindex.asp

Some of these are indexed and in the online catalogue which I have already searched and did not find much for Vistirin.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/default.asp

I also searched documents online - the online National archives documents

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/

I have given you the Vistirin will information from there.

Other marriages

1797 
St George Hanover Square Westminster
Vistirin John B
Mary M C Couvelair

Faculty Office Marriage licence
29 Aug 1797  VISTIRIN  J Bap't  COUVELAIR  Mmc 
(a copy of the licence can be ordered online from the British Origins website)

http://www.britishorigins.com/#collections

1815  St George Bloomsbury
Rosalina Vistirin
James Robinson

1820 
St George Hanover Square Westminster
Vistirin Jemima 
Joseph Kitching 

Vicar General marriage licence
05 Feb 1820  KITCHIN  VISTIRIN 

1822 St Paul  Covent Garden
Theresa Vistirine
James Robinson 

1825 St. Marylebone
Cornelius Vistirin
Ann Lamkin 

There is certainly another Vistirin family on the 1841 and 1851 censuses in London whose father was also called Henry who was a shoemaker.

The Times 13th September 1815
Middlesex Sessions Sept 12th
The King V Michael Vistirin
This was an indictment against the defendant, a truss-maker and repairer of human defects, late of New Bond-street, for an assault upon Lieutenant Colonel West, Deputy Governor Landguard Fort, and stood for trial today.
Mr Dowling, as Counsel for the defendant, moved to postpone his trial till next Sessions upon an affidavit stating that the defendant was unable, from severe illness, to take his trial during the present Sessions.
Mr Knapp resisted the application, but The Court aquieseed in the motion, and the case accordingly stands over till next Sessions.

http://www.huguenotsociety.org.uk/family/

The society will be able to tell you whether there is any evidence Vistirin is a Huguenot surname. Other than the late C18th marriage I can see no evidence of anything much earlier. The Huguenots main exit from France was after the Revocation of the Edict of Nantes in 1685.

Regards

Valda

[chasbaz]

Hi Jean,
Enjoy!
Hopefully you will now be able to pull together some of these difficult Vistirins.
You will find that certain archives may be more willing to do lookups for you if you can't get there - I'm thinking of the Wesminster Archives and the Guildhall Library in particular, who have been helpful to me in the past.  If you whine a bit and say you are in the colonies (like I'm in Canada) they usually take pity.

Please let us know how you get on - I'm interested because my researches are contemporaneous and also concerned with French immigrants in the London rag trade (if a 'defect improver' counts).
Cheers,
Charles