Brackley Parish records Baptism GRIGSON

[anglostark]

Hi Geoff & Sandy. I thought that I had this family almost cracked but not now. I'll explain further down the page.

Adolphus W Grigson and Catherine Burke are missing from the 1861 census due to Adolphus serving with the 50th Reg. of Foot over in Ireland and then Ceylon when it was taken and then returning home for them to appear in the 1871 census. Adolphus returns to be a printer back in civi street.

In the 1841 census, Adolphus(age 17) is staying with Thomas William Grigson and Pheobe Grigson (Willington). Pheobe being Thomas's 2nd wife. In the parish of St. Pancras, Middlesex. Along with James(age 15), Samuel(age 3) & John(age 1).
I had originally thought that Adolphus and James were from Thomas's first marriage and as later on in 1851 Census James is listed as the son of Thomas and I presumed that Adolphus was his son also.

I have just today received a copy of the marriage cert for Adolphus and Catherine Burke and it lists Adolphus's father as William John Grigson, occupation "Drawings Master" (well I think that is what it says).

It would have been better and tidier if it had Adolphus's father as Thomas but who said this game was easy.


SO.....My thoughts are that Thomas William Grigson(who Adolphus was staying with in 1841) is possibly the brother of William John Grigson (Adolphus's father according to his marriage cert)

[horse000]

Hi Steven

Yeah, I trawled through the census' etc., there was something that didn't seem quite right about Thomas, hence my comment in an earlier post that 'something kept bugging me about this family' - The census' of 41, 51 and his 1st marriage didn't seem quite right.

I'll have another look later.

Geoff

[horse000]

Hi

This latest news from the marriage cert. renders the FreeREG baptism of Adolphus suspect, naming Thomas as his father is therefore incorrect!

A couple of interesting bits:

1851 census, St Giles, Middlesex - HO107/1509/133/7
William John Grigson aged 30, b. abt. 1821 Bicester, occ. printer.
Eiza 24, b. abt. 1827 Bloomsbury
Interesting place and occupation!

FreeBMD, death reg:
Q3 William John Grigson, St Giles. V 1b, P 284. The parish register gives his age as 36y and abode as 25 High St, Bloomsbury. Could be a sibling of Adolphus, given Bicester only a few miles south of Brackley, assuming he was born there.

FreeBMD, death reg:
Q1 1880 Thomas William Grigson aged 84, Islington. V 1b, P 292. This gives a birth age of 1796, even more credible for the marriage to Mary Ann in 1816.

Unsure if this marriage has any significance, apart from the St Giles connection.
4 Jun 1799 William Grigson, b. & Ann Hawkins, w. St Giles-without-Cripplegate, mar. Wit. James Gillingham & P Barry.

Geoff

[horse000]

Hi

An update on, William b. Bicester...

Source, IGI:
14 Jun 1818 John William Grigson s. of Thomas William Grigson & Mary Ann, Bicester, bap.

Geoff

[anglostark]

Hi Geoff, Is there a way to see a copy of the original baptism record for Adolphus?

If this does state that the father was Thomas William Grigson. We can presume that we are either looking at 2 different Adolphus Grigsons one whos father is Thomas and the other having William as his father. (Adolphus Grigson appears to be such a rare name that I doubt this to be the case)

OR.....could Thomas William Grigson and William John Grigson be the same person?

[horse000]

Hi Steven

I'm not familiar with the Northants records, I suspect you will have to visit the records office, unless someone with more local knowledge has any ideas. This may help > http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/brackley.html

If I was pushed, I would say that Thomas W and William J are likely to be the same person, the only records found so far all point to Thomas, apart from the fly in the ointment Marriage cert. of Adolphus. Having said that there are a lot of Grigson's in the surrounding counties, Warwick, Oxon, home counties and even Suffolk.

I'll put my thinking cap on.

Geoff

[mgeneas]

I have the Brackley microfiche of original images - the father is  clearly recorded as Thomas.

But a mistake may have been made when the register was written up. Often copied from a noteboook weekley or monthly.

[anglostark]

Well Geoff, looks like mgeneas has answered the "who's the father according to the official baptism records"........Big Thanks for that mgeneas

I really would like to say that Thomas W and William J are the same person and I don't know if we'll ever find out for sure. They are definitely part of the same family that I'm 100% sure of. Maybe there are still some facts out there that remain to be discovered.

I also have a copy of Adolphus's death cert, originally thinking that it would provide information on his father and mother. But alas English death certs don't show this information unlike Scottish death certs. Which is a real pity as this could have been a real help.

I agree Geoff that there do appear to be a lot of Grigsons about but the name Adolphus seems to be very rare. I don't know if I'm looking in the wrong places but I have only been able to find the 2 Adolphus Grigson.
Another fact that keeps on cropping up with the Grigsons is that a lot of them are printers and print compositors. This strikes me as strange but then maybe its the equivalent of living in the countryside and being an agricultural labourer throughout the generations.