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Clemantine Gartell 1891
« on: Friday 15 December 06 14:53 GMT (UK) »
Can anyone see Clemantina Gartell, age 3, living in the Dover area in the 1891 census?

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Re: Clemantine Gartell 1891
« Reply #1 on: Friday 15 December 06 15:13 GMT (UK) »
I think this may be her - interesting parents!

Chapel Street, St Mary the Virgin, Dover
Henry John Gartell Head Mar 25 Comedian b London Lambeth
Adelaide Bell Gartell Wife Mar 22 Burlesque Actress b London Pimlico
Clementina Bell Gartell Dau 3 b Kent Folkestone

Second name for wife and daughter could be Ball or Beale - the writing is very cramped.

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Joy, Larkin, Twort, Baker, Whibley - Brenchley and Horsmonden area Kent
Fewell and Speller - Essex and London
Headington and Bateman - London
Feltwell - Norfolk and London
Lewin - India and NZ
Evan-Thomas - Wales and London
Purser and Cook - Hunts

Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: Clemantine Gartell 1891
« Reply #2 on: Friday 15 December 06 15:33 GMT (UK) »
Barbara

Thanks for the info. Is it possible the second name could be Batt?

Bob

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Re: Clemantine Gartell 1891
« Reply #3 on: Friday 15 December 06 17:26 GMT (UK) »
Hello Bob
I have had another look.
I think Clementina's second name could be Batt.
Adelaide's looks more like Beal with an extra "a" higher up at the end.  On second thoughts, maybe its Bella  :-\
The ref is RG 12 744 f9 in case any one else would like to have a go!
On the census sheet Clementina is actually spelt Clemintina
I have to ask - did Clementina follow in her parents' footsteps?
Barbara
Joy, Larkin, Twort, Baker, Whibley - Brenchley and Horsmonden area Kent
Fewell and Speller - Essex and London
Headington and Bateman - London
Feltwell - Norfolk and London
Lewin - India and NZ
Evan-Thomas - Wales and London
Purser and Cook - Hunts

Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: Clemantine Gartell 1891
« Reply #4 on: Friday 15 December 06 17:38 GMT (UK) »
Barbara

Adaline's second name was Beatrice. She married Henry Gartell in 1890.!!! I am sure that Clementine is not their daughter but possibly the daughter of a certain Thomas Batt. ( A music Hall entertainer). I don't know if she followed them into the entertainment industry.

Bob

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Re: Clemantine Gartell 1891
« Reply #5 on: Friday 15 December 06 18:17 GMT (UK) »
Hi Bob
Have you seen the entry for 1901 where Clementina seems to be with her real father and a brother?
Barbara
Joy, Larkin, Twort, Baker, Whibley - Brenchley and Horsmonden area Kent
Fewell and Speller - Essex and London
Headington and Bateman - London
Feltwell - Norfolk and London
Lewin - India and NZ
Evan-Thomas - Wales and London
Purser and Cook - Hunts

Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: Clemantine Gartell 1891
« Reply #6 on: Friday 15 December 06 18:29 GMT (UK) »
Barbara

I have put in a request but have not yet had a reply. If you can see them in1901 it would be nice to have a look.

Bob

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Re: Clemantine Gartell 1891
« Reply #7 on: Friday 15 December 06 18:41 GMT (UK) »
1901

2 Newcastle Court Nottingham

Ellen Martindale Head Single 36 b Middx London
Thomas Batt Boarder Mar 43 Music Hall Artist b Middx London
Clementina Dau looks like 18? b Folkestone
William Son 9 b Nottingham
Emma Cook Visitor Single 20- Hosiery Turner b Hucknell Notts

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Joy, Larkin, Twort, Baker, Whibley - Brenchley and Horsmonden area Kent
Fewell and Speller - Essex and London
Headington and Bateman - London
Feltwell - Norfolk and London
Lewin - India and NZ
Evan-Thomas - Wales and London
Purser and Cook - Hunts

Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: Clemantine Gartell 1891
« Reply #8 on: Friday 15 December 06 18:56 GMT (UK) »
Barbara

The birth certificate for Clementina in 1887 give her mother as Ellen Bate formally Martindale but I have not located a marriage. William Henry was born June 1890 and I think he was living in Mansfield. (Near Nottingham). Can you see him in 1891?

Bob
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