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help re Military Cross & medal card please?
« on: Friday 15 December 06 13:29 GMT (UK) »
Hi all and a Merry Christmas

Am new to all of this so please forgive my (extreme) ignorance!

What I have got is some memoirs written by my husband's maternal great grandmother, in the memoirs she talks about his great grandfather being injured in action on the Somme and being awarded the Military Cross. 

I have managed to find on the internet the London Gazette entry of his consipcous gallantry and what he did.  I've just downloaded his medal card (correct regimental no. and correct regiment - Leicestershire Regiment) and the medals listed are the Victory, British and (15 hand written by the side) Star, however there is no mention of the Military Cross.  Should the medal card include the Military cross or is this card for campaign medals only?

Thanks for help in advance.

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Re: help re Military Cross & medal card please?
« Reply #1 on: Friday 15 December 06 14:01 GMT (UK) »
Hi
Can you post the MIC on here so we can see it, and yes it is only for the issue of the war medals but next to his name you sometimes get the letters MC. Cheers

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Re: help re Military Cross & medal card please?
« Reply #2 on: Friday 15 December 06 14:19 GMT (UK) »
Hi

Thanks for speedy reply, not sure how I can get this Medal Card on here (no scanner - awaiting it as xmas pressie!).  Have had a look and can't see M.C. after his name (he does it himself on his daughter's marriage certificate which he witnessed)  the only things I can see are as follows:
Name Hancock Robert
corps Leic R
Rank Sgt
Reg no 13609
then underneath there is something illegible possibly his next rank***d II or 11
his Victory, British and 15 handwritten Star roll numbers
theatre of war (1) France
date of entry therin 29-7-15
remarks 'L' res 2/5/19

Thanks

Christine.

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Re: help re Military Cross & medal card please?
« Reply #3 on: Friday 15 December 06 16:07 GMT (UK) »
Hi Christine
The MC was a gallantry award to Officers & Warrant Officers of the Army. Were the rank is it may be (W O II) this is Warrant Officer class two, or Company Sergeant Major (CSM).


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Re: help re Military Cross & medal card please?
« Reply #4 on: Friday 15 December 06 18:23 GMT (UK) »
Quick look at the London Gazette and no match - the search engine can be dodgy though.

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Re: help re Military Cross & medal card please?
« Reply #5 on: Friday 15 December 06 18:35 GMT (UK) »
From this correspondence, I have learnt something today.

I thought that Military Cross and Military Medal were one and the same decoration second only to Victoria Cross, only Cross for commisioned officers and Medal for other ranks.

I knew a Sergeant who had been in Korea who got the MM for taking out two Chinese MG positions on his own.

Very recently, Radio 4 reported on an NCO who had been awarded the MC in Afghanistan.

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Re: help re Military Cross & medal card please?
« Reply #6 on: Friday 15 December 06 19:37 GMT (UK) »
TNA have transcribed his second rank as Warrant Officer Class 2

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/details-result.asp?Edoc_Id=2682783&queryType=1&resultcount=1


Roger,
The Military Medal for other ranks was discontinued after a review in 1993, so now the Military Cross is available to all ranks.

The MM was a lesser award than the VC (as you say), but also inferior to the DCM. The MC for officers was inferior to the VC and DSO. Under the same review that discontinued the MM, the DSO (in its gallantry guise) & DCM have been replaced by the Conspicuous Gallantry Cross.

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Re: help re Military Cross & medal card please?
« Reply #7 on: Friday 15 December 06 19:50 GMT (UK) »
Thanks to you all for replying to my post - has fathomed out some of the mystery of the MC.  When I had a look to see what it was / is for the site I looked at said was for officers only but clears up with the WO 2.  The edition of the London Gazette I managed to find was on 14th Novemer 1916 and he is listed as Coy S/M.  I know from the memoirs he was injured 14th July 1916.

Thanks again

Christine.

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Re: help re Military Cross & medal card please?
« Reply #8 on: Friday 15 December 06 19:52 GMT (UK) »
Hi Christine, and a Warm Welcome to Rootschat  ;D

not sure how I can get this Medal Card on here (no scanner - awaiting it as xmas pressie!). 

Hide this message from the family, as I don't want to jeopardize the Christmas pressie, but as you downloaded the medal card it's inside your computer! somewhere

Don't want to get too teckie but if you can find what it's called, and where it is, in "My Documents" or something like that, you can attach it as a photograph or image.

Wendi  :)
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