Sophia Dewar need help to find her in 1851

[tidybooks]

Could be off on a tangent...again but this is what I have came up with. I started by accepting George being born in 1831 not 1832 as in notes, and I may have strayed on from there, as you do. oops as i do.



Parents Thomas Prain and Betty Kirkcaldy had children:-

Euphame Jack Prain                   b 31 Oct 1815          c 13 Nov 1815
Robert Prain      b 14 May 1820    c 04 Jun 1820
Thomas Prain      b 07 Aug 1822   c 18 Aug 1822
David Prain      b 30 Sep 1824    c 03 Oct 1824
Mary Prain      b 09 Mar 1826    c 12 Mar 1826
Alexander Prain                    b 15 May 1829         c 17 May 1829
George Prain                     b 18 Jul 1831    c 07 Aug 1831
William Prain       b 29 Aug 1837    c 13 Aug 1837
John Prain      b 15 Nov 1833

All b & c at Inchture Perth

George Prain m Sophia Dewar 28 August 1854 at Dundee, Angus

Their children: -

Agnes Stewart Prain    b 14 Jun    1855 Longforgan Perth
Elisabeth Walker Prain    b 25 Jan    1857 Longforgan Perth
Wilhelmina Fenton Prain    b 22 Jan    1862 Longforgan Perth
Mary Ann Christie Prain    b 17 Jul    1864 Liff Benvie & Invergowrie Angus
Euphemia Steel Prain    b 09 May    1867 Liff Benvie & Invergowrie Angus
Stewart Smith Prain    b 09 Jan    1870 Liff Benvie & Invergowrie Angus
Alice Macdonald Prain    b 31 Oct    1874 Dundee

[MonicaL]

Hi Dorothy

Re the 1851 census, you have confirmed what I thought, that Thomas and Alexander had been crossed over in terms of info. Good to see from the original entry that Alexander is showing as age 7 as he would be.  As for John father...effects of intoxication       You are a minefield of info re Dundee records!

Tidybooks, we have I think confirmed the parents for George. He reported his mother Helen's death in 1884. His sister Agnes's DC also confirmed parents as James Prain and Helen Stewart.

Regards all.

Monica

[dkmcad]

Hi Monica and Jericho,

Just wondering if that John Dewar could be Sophia's father.  The occupation showing Tailor coincides with son John's occupation.  Forgot to put in that John Dewar (father) was born Foss in Perthshire. 

Also if he was a soldier, that would account for the children being born "all over the place"!  I'll check the Howff film after Christmas and see if it says anything else.   The Index is not complete.

On Agnes Stewart Prain's 1855 birth certificate, it shows Sophia's birth place as Perth.  Jericho, if you don't have a copy, pm me with your email address and I'll send it to you. 

Think that's about the lot for just now.  Bye,

Dorothy

http://tayvalleyfhs.org.uk/resources/howff.shtml

[jericho]

Hi Dorothy


Yes you are certainly spot on with John Dewar and his death in Sept 1849, from the effects of Intoxication.  And John was certainly a Solider and Tailor so full marks again. I would be very interested if when looking at the Howff film you could check for a daughter Mary Ann born abt 1824  I have not be able to find out where she was born  or connect her with John and Mary Ann Dewar  as she was not living with them in 1841. Mary Ann emigrated in 1842 to NZ, her address given at the time was the same as  John and Mary Dewar  living in Seagate in the 1841 census and her death certificate has her parents listed as David and Mary Christie, who were infact her grandparents and the parents of Mary born 1796.
Thjank-you for all your help it is much appreciated.

jericho

[jericho]

Hi tidybooks


The information for Thomas Prain and Betty Kirkcaldy was much appreciated, and who knows it may prove useful as my researches advances as the children names are certainly very similar to those of George and Sophia's  that there may possibly be some kind of connection. Thanks


jericho

[jericho]

To all who have contributed to this post, you have certainly helped me out with so much new information and for that I am extremely greatfull, where else but on Rootschat would you get people so willing to go that extra mile to help out others researching from afar. Thanks everyone for the fantastic effort.




jericho

[jericho]

Hi Dorothy

Have just managed to look briefly at the link for Tay Valley Family History Society will put it in with my other favourites as it looks as if it will be very useful. Thanks




jericho

[seakali]

Hi there!
I'm new to all this, but so excited to see this old thread, as i'm related to Sophia Dewar, her daughter Euphemia Steel Payne (nee Prain)  is my granny's granny and i wanted to add that on Euphemia's death certificate (she died in 1947)  her mother,  is noted as Elenora, Sophia Prain nee Sophia Dewar. Adding to her mystery!?!
 
This was a brilliant read & find. Including all the info on George too as I could not find his death cert and now i know why!

Jericho - we are related?!?! I look forward to exploring more of your family tree!

happy researching
Kelly

Happy researching

[jericho]

Hi Kelly


Welcome to Rootschat, yes we are related, as John and Mary Dewar are my 3x grandparents and their daughter Mary is my 2 x greatgrandmother she went to New Zealand in 1842 and married soon after. Years, later her brother Thomas arrived and settled in New Zealand, as well as Sophia's  daughter Wihelmina Fenton Prain.

If you post on this forum 2 more times we will be able to private message each other and exchange emails and more information.

Do you have any ideas who John's parents are, as they have been a bit of a stumbling block.

jericho