Sophia Dewar need help to find her in 1851

[jericho]

Hi Annie


She married  George Prain,  he was born abt 1832, in 1841 he is living with his sister Agnes and the Margaret Stewart  in Dargie Liff & Benvie- Angus I believe this is George's grandmother.  Can't find his parents at this stage. Hope this helps


jericho

[MonicaL]

Jericho

I wonder if this is George with mother in 1851:


George Prain    17, b. Liff, Forfarshire, son of Hellen, labourer
Agnes Stewart    51, b. Longforgan, Perthshire, sister to Hellen
Hellen Stewart    56 b. Longforgan, Perthshire

Address: Mylnefield Feus, Longforgan, Perthshire

Regards.

Monica

[jericho]

Hi Monica


It certainly looks as if it may be George, and it looks as if his mother never married or if she did it appears she never took her husband's name well looks as if George and Sophia are not living together now the question is where is she hiding!!! Thanks for your help.


jericho

[MonicaL]

Jericho

All George's family together in 1841, except for father, all showing as born in the County:

Helen Stewart, 45-49
Margaret Stewart, 75-79
Agnes Stewart, 40-44, H L W (hand loom weaver)
George Prain, 15-19
Agnes Prain, 8

Address: Dargie, Liff and Benvie, Angus


You will probably need to check Helen's DC (assuming she died post 1855) to see whether she shows as married to George and Agnes's father. Or view the original 1851 Census image on SP which will show her marital status.

Based on Helen's 1851 Census entry, this could be her birth/christening entry on IGI:

HELEN STEWART  Birth: 19 MAR 1794/ Christening: 22 MAR 1794 Longforgan, Perth, Scotland
Parents: Father: PETER STEWART    Mother:MARGARET ANDERSON

Regards.

Monica

[runningbear]

i am really really stumped with the children of john and maryann dewar!!

i cannot find them in a british census anywhere!!

i was working on david 1827 and came across a census in america in 1880, do you know if the family have american links?

1880 census; cincinnati, ohio

david...head...age 57...blacksmith foreman...born scotland
ellen...wife...age 53...born ireland
robert...son...age 20...works in car shop...born kentucky
andrew J...son...age 18...works in shoe shop
jennie...dau...age 17
annie...dau...age 14
john...son...age 11
thomas...son...age 9

all born ohio, unless stated otherwise.

i know it is a bit of a long shot but.......

Joe

[jericho]

Hi Monica

Thanks I did have the 1841 census but didn't realize at the time that George's mother was also present, as it didn't state relationships. I'm not sure about Helen's birth parents will keep an open mind on that one as the name Anderson does not appear with any of Sophia and George's children's names. Each of their eight children have a grandparents surname as a second name, so if nothing else that has helped me abit.


jericho

[jericho]

Hi Joe


Like you I have had a lot of trouble finding the children of John and Mary Ann Dewar,  Mary Ann their daughter emigrated to NZ in 1842 so I have accounted for her. James unknown.... Janet married .... Urquart nothing else known. David unknown, Jane unknown, John died 1860 in Invergowrie, Shopia have quiet a bit except where she was in 1851, George 1834-1835. Robert married Catherine Scott in Dundee in 1868  he died 1871.  Thomas also went to NZ so I have most of his details, Alexander died 1864 in Longforgan. But much of it is still mystery and was really hoping to find them in 1851 but I think they are probably all sitting back and laughing at me. Thanks for your help you have all been great with your help and suggestions.


jericho

[MonicaL]

Jericho

Something else to mull over.......re George's mother. Just had a look at the IGI entries for George and Sophia's children. They certainly liked the use of middle names/surnames!

Given they married in 1854, their first born daughter looks to be:

AGNES STEWART PRAIN  Birth: 14 JUN 1855 Longforgan, Perth, Scotland


.............so, maybe George's mother wasn't Helen but sister Agnes? Helen and Agnes are both alive and well in 1881:

Agnes, 80, unmarried, formerly ag. lab., b. Longforgan
Ellen, 87, unmarried, formerly ag. lab., b. Longforgan

Address: McGavins Land, Longforgan, Perth


I can see Sophia's death entry in 1898 in Dundee. I can't however see any entry for George. Have you managed to find his death cert?

Regards.

Monica

[MonicaL]

Jericho

George's mother was Helen  He reported her death in 1884 in Longforgan. Her parents were as I posted earlier, Peter Stewart, weaver, and Margaret Anderson. If you do a parent search on IGI, you will see a number of children for the couple including a sister Agnes which fits in age to the Agnes we have living with Helen.

George's sister Agnes married an Alexander Kinmond(t) in 1846:

AGNES PRAIN  Marriages: Spouse: ALEXANDER KINMONT    
Marriage:  01 AUG 1846  Liff Benvie And Invergowrie, Angus, Scotland

Agnes died in 1886 in Dundee, parents James Prain, weaver, and Helen Stewart both deceased.

Regards.

Monica

............still can't find Sophia for you though in 1851